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#21 dagabu

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 02:40 PM

Thanks Col!


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Posted 06 December 2018 - 07:41 PM

lol, it might not be any good ;) I would lump the 2 dextrins together and treat them as a job lot and omitt the antifoam and preservative for the test. The 50% NaOh solution can presumably be made using 25g NaOH in 50ml of water, 12.5g in 25ml etc. You wont need much as it only accounts for 1.2%. Fingers crossed for a sticky outcome ;)



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Posted 06 December 2018 - 08:00 PM

Only have the white dextrin, no others.
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Posted 07 December 2018 - 05:09 AM

Aye, they use small % of a low solubility dex, just use the stuff you have but add that %



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Posted 07 December 2018 - 07:45 AM

Not following you Col, could you explain?
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Posted 07 December 2018 - 08:27 AM

The formula uses 2 types of white dex, high solubility and low solubilty. the idea is just to disregard the difference in type and just add your dex so you have the same total (combined) weight percentage. Cant remember the percentages offhand, but if it says 40% (high solubility dex) and 5% (low solubility dex) you`d just add 45% of yours ;)



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Posted 07 December 2018 - 09:36 AM

I only have the high solubility kind and no plans for looking for the other. I am waiting on the wallpaper paste now to start tests, I think I will do a white glue and water (75:25), white dex with wheat paste (not sure of the ratio yet), wallpaper paste and just wheat paste alone. 


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 09:58 AM

lol thats why i suggested adding the extra 5% or whatever it is of your high solubility kind. You cant add what you dont have ;)

 

Formulation A (modded)

Water: 49.7 pbw
White dextrin: 44.7
Borax: 4.0

Cook to 85°C f or 20-30 mins; cool to room
temperature and add 50% Aqueous NaOH 1.2


Edited by Col, 07 December 2018 - 10:07 AM.


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 04:05 PM

FINE!!! Dagnabbit! 

 

PBW- Powdered Brewery Wash? 

 

OK, water, dex, borax.... does it matter what kind?  Add 50% Aqueous lye to the batch and stir.

 

What next?  :ph34r:


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 05:28 PM

I guess Percentage By Weight ;) I figure borax is borax. Cook, cool and then add the 1.2% of 50% sodium hydroxide solution and that should be it.



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Posted 07 December 2018 - 05:59 PM

Hang on there, I missed the 1.2%, is that 1.2 parts of the 100 parts total weight? 

 

49 parts water

44.7 parts dex

4 parts Borax

185 F for 20-30 minutes

cool to room temp

add 1.2 parts of a 50/50 Aqueous Lye solution

 

Stir and serve? 


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 07:50 PM

Aye, 1.2% by weight`added when the glue has cooled to room temp. The total ends up at around 99.6% the oddment is the antifoam and preservative which arent essential for the test.



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Posted Yesterday, 10:46 AM

ROMAN Pro-880 seems to be a bust. I will dilute it according to the instructions and try it again but it will not brush or roll on without elongating the paper by several millimeters and wrinkles while rolling. Not at all friendly as is.  <_<


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Posted Yesterday, 01:37 PM

Seems like your having as much luck as me. The wickes website`s 2 ready mix in stock translated into none in stock and a wasted trip ;)

Diluting will help it spread easier but the extra water might make the wrinkling worse.



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Posted Yesterday, 01:47 PM

I did a quick and dirty check myself on water only wrapping, I saturated the sheet with a sprayer and rolled it in, the sheet elongated the same and rolled up the same. I loose nothing diluting the 880.

 

I did find that a 90% white glue to water ratio made the paper a lot harder to align and had zero slip. You cannot roll the paper tighter with high solids in white glue. I went to a 75% white glue ratio to see if I can find a happy medium but I may have to bite the bullet and make a rolling machine that brushed the glue on as its rolled up and not saturate the paper. 


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Posted Yesterday, 02:58 PM

If plain water is no different it wont hurt to give it a go. Aligning lightweight kraft paper covered with a high tack glue is pretty much a one shot deal. I use a couple of speed squares to align the semi rigid calendered sheets which just slide down a board using gravity..As long as i`m close to square, the paper will track pretty straight.

I`m not a fan of applying glue as the tube is being rolled, it can get very messy, especially at the end ;)

 

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