deadman Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 That's perfect. Then you will be able to do the rest. Hopefully. Also you'll feel better knowing that you did some work on it as well. Remember to take pride and be patient in things like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormanman Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 That's perfect. Then you will be able to do the rest. Hopefully. Also you'll feel better knowing that you did some work on it as well. Remember to take pride and be patient in things like this. Oh I will and I hope that it will work wonderfuly I'll tell you guys about it when I get done it might take me may 1 to 3 months tops. Cross your fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedfuse Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 Hey Guys, been watching this site alot lately but now decided to join and start posting. As for the plans on the visco machine, you guys are right it is not completely finished,, more scraped together. How do i know, well i did the plans up. My name is Daniel. Since then i have upgraded from that version to an up-right version where the plates are directly above each other. Stops the fuse from breaking and spilling the BP mix. Im currently finishing off the plans for the second visco machine which is very similar to one i saw in a link from this site. Guess we have similar thoughts, except mine is no where near as good looking as thiers. As soon as i have that done i will post it here for everyone. Might even try to get it hosted by lady kate or similar considering i havent heard much from passfire. The hardest part is getting pullies for the machine. If you have a local hobby shop its great otherwise like me, you can make it from a HDPE Sheet(Chopping Board). Cheers,Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedfuse Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 BTW, Just as food for thought, i have a mate who ended up coming around to mine a while back to take measurements and he ended up building an Aluminum version of this machine. He built 2 of them but the second was a little different and i didnt know why, his simple answer was if its good enough for visco its good enough for time fuse. Yes thats right, time fuse. He still has it im sure so ill try to get some pictures of it. I used some of his time fuse and it works great. Cheers,Daniel P.S All it takes is one cog to start and the rets will follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tentacles Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 For the timefuse, how does he wrap enough string around it to keep the fire in the fuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asilentbob Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 As i understand it time fuse (ie jap) has a thicker core of BP wrapped like visco, then a coat of a tar like substance and more wrapping with string. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedfuse Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Hey Guys, He actually had 2 ways of making it until he found a nice neat way to do so. He first started making his fuse the exact same until the laquer bath. Instead of the NC he used a tar like substance(dont know if it was actually tar- come to think of it i never asked him about the liquid) then he had his collection reel mounted ontop of another tower and had threads wind over the top before collection. After that it was a bit sticky and messy until it dried properly. So he actually found a way to coat a 1cm wide strip of paper in tar and use that. It came down a large tower through the 2 normal plates, then through a funnel (found in a patent somewhere) and the paper as it went through wrapped around the core tightly and was followed very closely by another plate of thick threads and again the final laquer bath. Was very interesting to see. I would say either way worked but i liked the first method as it kept fuse thin but the second had less chance of a side split. Cheers,Daniel P.S I will have to work this weekend so i should get to those plans next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormanman Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Wooo I changed my plans from making a hoizontal viso machine to an upright one and really it feel like its going to be easier. The only hard part is the money to buy the stuff for it and the pullies but other than that it good. [EDIT]+++++++++++++++++++++ Get good pulleys don't try to make your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedfuse Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 I've been busy and lazy at the same time this week so i am sorry that i havent got around to making the drawings up yet. Anyway you said that your worried about the price of being able to make the upright version. Well, i didnt spend much at all. I used alot of scrap from around my garage and it came together nicely(mind you no where near as nice as the link) but it works. I only had to pay for the aluminum shafts and a small chopping board(HDPE). The chopping board i used to make my own pulleys as well as the bearing arms(but these could be metal or wood) and the shaft obviously was used for the main control shaft and also as the cores for the plates. Dont be daunted by what it looks like its pretty simple once everything is up and running. My hardest part was how to control the collection reel. I ended up connecting a stepper motor with a controller to it to give me a variable control for it. Cheers,DanielP.S I have had to edit this post as the picture i added was huge in the main window. How do i add them to the post like what you guys have done(the thumbnail views)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superspike23 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 some photographs of my machine visco finished soonhttp://www.apcforum.net/files/photo.27.jpghttp://www.apcforum.net/files/photo.28.jpghttp://www.apcforum.net/files/photo.29.jpghttp://www.apcforum.net/files/photo.30.jpg http://www.apcforum.net/files/Photo030.jpg http://www.apcforum.net/files/Photo029.jpg http://www.apcforum.net/files/Photo028.jpg http://www.apcforum.net/files/Photo027.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gods knight Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 wow! do you have any videos of it in action so i can see how it works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zmuro Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 The video in action would be nice, because i don't quite understand how the powder is pulled down and stays in place while the threads are twisting around. Does anyone have some aditional information on this machines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gods knight Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 I posted this in the other thread of fusing cakes but i think it might be useful fast forward to the last couple of minute not the part where they make rocket sticks, that means you went too far. here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=72...earch&plindex=6 Their visco machine seems to be completely automated spinning the threads to what looks like about 200-300 rpm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superman1451 Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 It starts at 20 min and 50 sec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zmuro Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 This is my visco machine. It took me about a week to built. http://shrani.si/thumbs/viscomachi14n3a.jpghttp://shrani.si/thumbs/viscomachi14n3j.jpghttp://shrani.si/thumbs/viscomachi14n3p.jpghttp://shrani.si/thumbs/viscomachi14n3r.jpghttp://shrani.si/thumbs/viscomachi14n3u.jpghttp://shrani.si/thumbs/viscomachi14n3z.jpg How it works: http://shrani.si/files/viscomachi14pbw.aviHow the fuse is burning: http://shrani.si/files/viscovrvic14n35.avi How would I achive that the fuse would burn like Visco, with backward directed flame and lots of sparks. Is the core of Visco just BP or it's some other composition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gods knight Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 OH MY GOD It looks so professional. What did you use to power it? Can you tell me what you used to build it?like a list of some sort. And can you please make a quick time or real player video, i ant watch it because it says there was an error during the download Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadman Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 As far as I know it is meal powder that is burning. I believe the controlled spitfire is effected by how tightly the string is wrapped and wether or not NC lacquer is used. Gods Knight: Download VLC media player. It requires no codecs to be installed and plays every vid file I've thrown at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylar Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 I'm making an autocad drawing and a material list while waiting for my electromotor to arrive. (if there is interest, I'll post the dwg when it's finished) I have some design questions though: How many rotations of string per cm of fuse? Too much and I think the powder will be too compressed, too little and it will spill between the strings ... from this I will calculate the pulling speed versus the rpm of the spool sets. Why 12 strings on the inner layer and only 8 on the outer layer? What do you guys use as belting material? Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tentacles Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 I would certainly be interested in the dwg.. and I'm sure others as well.. Zmuro:I think you should try coating your fuse in NC lacquer (or even pingpong lacquer) and see if that doesn't slow the burn rate and get the fireball under control a bit. Very nice fuse! It looks like you made the spinning discs out of the ends of a reel of some kind. Are you just using a gear motor for the uptake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zmuro Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 I can adjust the of both the motor I have so I din't try to calculate the pulling speed versus the rpm, but I adjust both of the motors when the the machine was already built. I needed abou 5 min to adjust the engine that rools and the engine that wraps the BP. The second spool set should rotate just a little bit faster than the first one. The spining was tahen from a newyears light set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gods knight Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 I wonder why someone didn't make a tutorial on this Can you please tell me what it took to build it thats all i want to know: for instance, a supply list maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zmuro Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 All parts were found in my garage. you can make a diffrent version of machine. I helped myself vith this file http://www.truetex.com/turner_visco.pdf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPinthemorning Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 i understand how the machine works for the most part, but how do you get the two thread wheels to move in opposite directions with the same motor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tentacles Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 If you look at all the pics and the video, you can see how he twists the belt over, thus reversing the direction. (makes it looks like a moebius band) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPinthemorning Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 ohhh ok i see. thanks im gonna start my machine as soon as im done with my summer reading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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