Essohbe Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 I searched but couldn't find any info. I wondered if anyone has ever been successful in using Iodine to color smoke compositions? I have used tincture and gotten a real dirty colored smoke. I imagine if I purified it/re crystalized it and used that in the mix then it would color it even darker? Tincture can make a dirty orangish-white color (like when you spill it or put it on a cut, that color). Anyone be able to chime in on this? Thought maybe a dirty purple color might be achievable. I don't like the thought of paying for the dyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrogeorge Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Nice thought but i have and another question too.Blue indigo powder can colour the smoke?Used in clothes as dye and in washing machines as white catalyst(i think) for the clothes.http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/indigotin/indigotinh.htmI think that i will make a batch with klo3/lactose but i would like to read your opinions.. Essohbe sorry for asking in your topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essohbe Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 It's okay, good idea. I have read that you can use "synthetic indigo" which I presume is pthalocyanine blue? That's the expensive chems though that I am trying to avoid having to purchase. Get a little indigo and try it maybe? As long as it is dry particles that can are tiny enough to vaporize into the smoke cloud it should work, in theory. I never used lactose or chlorates for smoke, is it any better/give off more smoke than KNO3 does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrogeorge Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 (edited) I made a batch but no coloured smoke..I used and cement powder dye but with no result.. The composition i used was:~ 30g KClO3~ 20g Lactose~ 50g Powder dye Edited January 28, 2012 by pyrogeorge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrogeorge Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 i found the topic with blue smoke..You can read it.http://www.amateurpyro.com/forums/topic/2811-phthalocyanine-green-as-chlorine-donor/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essohbe Posted January 28, 2012 Author Share Posted January 28, 2012 Lol, I wondered about the cement dye a while ago but presumed it wouldn't work. Now I know, thanks I think the iodine might actually work but it has to be real pure then made into very fine dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrojig Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I never used lactose or chlorates for smoke, is it any better/give off more smoke than KNO3 does? Yes to answer your Q. Chlorate colored smokes are a industry standard . Kno3 is more a amateur mix and inconsistent. The color smokes can only be obtained by the use of chlorates. Iodine is very expensive ,and not to mention not something you want to breath after the comp is burned. Why are you so pressed to use Iodine anyways? Save it for more interesting chemistry . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essohbe Posted February 1, 2012 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) Yes, I know chlorates are the standard but between them and my KNO3 I couldn't really see that big a difference ... ? Maybe it's me. I've become quite good at using the cheaper nitrate and I load my munition/gas rounds with that. Lol. Hey, it works The color smokes can only be obtained by the use of chlorates. <br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252); ">Iodine is very expensive ,and not to mention not something you want to breath after the comp is burned. Why are you so pressed to use Iodine anyways? Well, tincture is easy to come by and I actually have managed to make a dirty yellow colored smoke with that and nitrate. Just ideas I had and tried although I agree there's better things to use. I have recently found a cheap source of pthalo blue I will use with chlorate and apparently I can get it by the kilo. Damn I can't spell. Edited February 1, 2012 by Essohbe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave321 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Yes, I know chlorates are the standard but between them and my KNO3 I couldn't really see that big a difference ... ? Maybe it's me. I've become quite good at using the cheaper nitrate and I load my munition/gas rounds with that. Lol. Hey, it works Well, tincture is easy to come by and I actually have managed to make a dirty yellow colored smoke with that and nitrate. Just ideas I had and tried although I agree there's better things to use. I have recently found a cheap source of pthalo blue I will use with chlorate and apparently I can get it by the kilo. Damn I can't spell. iodine.........you cant be serious..............waste of time............................get some proper smoke dyes dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) Iodine Smoke Comp Azo Yellow Video Phthalo Cyanine Blue will work great in smokes, there wont be much luck using Cement dyes, they are based on Iron Oxide. You'll need a Azoic, Vat, Solvent , Disperse Dye , Etc. Something with an oil base would help. I have lots of an Azoic Yellow smoke dye for sale right now, $6.00 per pound if anyone wants any, Ten pound boxes or more please, also have Terephthalic acid for sale $5.00lb Azo Yellow Video at the top of this page. There is an Iodine Smoke comp linked at the top of this page. I have a smoke formula using Cadmium metal I am going to try soon. Ill try to post the video when I have the time. Edited February 2, 2012 by cracker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peret Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Regrettably, I don't think an average person can get iodine these days for any price, since it's on the DEA "strictly regulated chemicals" list. So if you should happen to have a quantity, you can probably sell it for a huge profit to your local meth lab supply house and use the proceeds to buy actual dye. God help us if they ever find a way of using potassium nitrate to cook meth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mumbles Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 The first time I read this I cracked up and thought you were kidding. Since it seems you're actually serious, you should probably know that iodine is more expensive than every dye I've seen used in smoke compositions, except for white and black smoke. We just tried to order iodine for our legit lab by way of a legit university. ~ $150/lb, and we have to fill out a DEA authorized purchaser sheet which must be signed by the chemistry department chair. Apparently the professor isn't enough anymore. Tincture is lets say, $4/oz, and contains 2% iodine. Thats $3000/lb. $20-30/lb for smoke dye doesn't seem that bad anymore, does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essohbe Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 Lol... I guess I'm not allowed to experiment? This was a thread about tinkering and doing it on the thrift as I was inspired by Pyrogeorge's thread. I asked if anybody could chime in regarding something in line with that context - anything that might make a color in smoke for cheaper than the expensive dyes. Mumbles, lol, dude I'm not talking about buying pure Iodine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrogeorge Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 (edited) I will test powder dye for clothes..Does anyone made a test with this dye? Edited February 3, 2012 by pyrogeorge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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