eggi96 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Hey guys instead of using ammonium nitrate since it is hard to buy/find can i use potassium perchlorate for strobe rocket mix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FREAKYDUTCHMEN Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I guess you meant Ammoniumperchlorate instead of -nitrate?You'll need a good strobe formula for strobe rockets, good strobes are mostly AP strobes. You need whistle to assist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapper Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Although AN is strictly regulated here in the US for fertiliser you can get smaller quantities from Instant cold / Ice packs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algenco Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I looked at a lot of strobe formulas, none used AN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgoty Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I looked at a lot of strobe formulas, none used AN No its AP he is after. As Ralph stated on TBP: "NO" Trying to make some of this myself. Does anyone know of a good deal on either a lead dioxide or platinum anode? Patsroom seems to have gone with his nice lead dioxide... So can you use a nitrate/sulpher stobe in these instead? Would probably block the nozzle is my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mumbles Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 They're also not consistently burning enough for the preferences of most rocket builders. The burn rate may not be appropriate either. I'm not sure of the exact reasons, but I hear them shot down a lot for rocketry uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggi96 Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 yes i did mean ammonium perchlorate instead of ammonium nitrate whoops. Would you guys know where to get some ammonium perchlorate in australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 yes i did mean ammonium perchlorate instead of ammonium nitrate whoops. Would you guys know where to get some ammonium perchlorate in australia not available (see the other thread you started) a couple people have managed to smuggle some in from the states were they have free access to an abundance of cheap chemicals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgoty Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 (edited) not available (see the other thread you started) a couple people have managed to smuggle some in from the states were they have free access to an abundance of cheap chemicals I've thought about trying to import some but I think the presence of ammonia would make my package stand out like dogs balls!! You've gotta make it eggi, its the only way for us Aussies. Edited January 30, 2011 by ausgoty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mumbles Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Ammonia and ammonium are two very different things. If you're worried about the smell, there is none. If you're worried about it being confused with ammonium nitrate, well that is a risk you have to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I've thought about trying to import some but I think the presence of ammonia would make my package stand out like dogs balls!! You've gotta make it eggi, its the only way for us Aussies. finding someone willing is the hardest bit actually getting it through customs isnt that hard its all about how its labeled an "oxygenating bio filter nutrient for aquaculture" is almost certainly going to get let through "solid rocket fuel partA" has no hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algenco Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 On sale $4lb http://www.americanpyrosupply.com/Products-CURRENT_SALE_01-27-2010.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peret Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Thanks Al, another supplier new to me, and apparently one that can beat Travis! Not much use to the Aussies though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgoty Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 On sale $4lb http://www.americanp...01-27-2010.html Now thats just rubbing salt into the wounds I do know bloke, on the other side of the world, who would probably send me a kilo or two of this oxygenating bio filter stuff, but I think in the long run I would be better off investing the money in aquiring the means to make it. Hmmmm, would be great if I got it tho, there are some other oxygenating bio filter varieties I would like as well. I thought the sniffer dogs were especially trained to find ammonium compounds? I would imagine that AP smells a lot like AN to a dog? I am a very reluctant chemist, but we do what we have to do. Sorry for the threadjacking eggi, but I think we answered your question somewhere along the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 "oxygenating bio filter nutrient" would only work as a label for AN or AP really not so much for other things as it could legitimately be used for that purpose (historically AN was used now either liquid ammonia or ammonium sulfate) Ill be at the airport today and as usual I will be tested not just by a crotch sniffer but also swabbed and they never pick up anything (not even when I have been playing with nitrated organics) only time they have picked up anything was when I was once playing with ammonium chloride and oncew when I had transfered 25kg of AN from a sack to 2 containers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algenco Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Thanks Al, another supplier new to me, and apparently one that can beat Travis! Not much use to the Aussies though. I'll bet Travis will match it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBluePyro Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 "oxygenating bio filter nutrient" has been known to get through with no worries... I'm talking small quantities though like a kilo or something. I've never heard of anything being confiscated that has been imported into Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) my rice hulls got confiscated,lol but they didnt have a problem with dark al oz customs are pretty funny. Edited January 31, 2011 by jimbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Im tempted to try and get some AP in I know exactly why your rice hulls got confiscated because it is a plant based product with no country of origin (or a country with possible pests or diseases) Im going to guess you got it from bangcock pyro ? they are completely unreliable on any order of ~5kg or more things get lossed miss declared never posted ect on a side note if you still need rice hulls let me know I know were I can get them cheap (dont actually know the price but very cheap) and we can exploit a loop hole in the AUS post system a tough bag GL is not priced by dimension but by weight and I think fully expanded they may be able to hold about 20L anyway let me know if you want some and ill pick some up next time Im getting grains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algenco Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Ralph, is all that cheap AP keeping you up at night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Ralph, is all that cheap AP keeping you up at night? Drooling just alittle would certainly be great to have an expendable amount (I have rationed mine so I can do all the experiments I want and a couple things that have been done (strobe rockets, blue whistle) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EphemeralPyroZ Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Hey guys, On a similar note to the original question - is KCLO4 suitable for use as a substitute oxidiser in strobe compositions instead of NH4ClO4? Cheers for your help, EP(newb to the site) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagabu Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Hey guys, On a similar note to the original question - is KCLO4 suitable for use as a substitute oxidiser in strobe compositions instead of NH4ClO4? Cheers for your help, EP(newb to the site) Sorry but AP is needed for strobe rockets. Strobe stars on the other hand can be made with Barium and Potassium Nitrate... -dag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSM Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Sorry but AP is needed for strobe rockets. Strobe stars on the other hand can be made with Barium and Potassium Nitrate...-dag ...and strontium nitrate, too (for red and pink strobes)! WSM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiceh Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) Sorry but AP is needed for strobe rockets. Strobe stars on the other hand can be made with Barium and Potassium Nitrate... -dag What happens if someone makes up a "strobe" rocket with a strobe star comp made with Nitrate? Too long burn? No strobe? Edited August 28, 2012 by Juiceh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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