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#21 OldMarine

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 08:07 PM

Don't bother. Lots of erroneous junk in there. I recently got the Wizards Formulary and it is strictly formulas but it references the source so you can evaluate them. Also got the Best of AFN series
which I highly recommend.


Don't bother. Lots of erroneous junk in there. I recently got the Wizards Formulary and it is strictly formulas but it references the source so you can evaluate them. Also got the Best of AFN sites which I highly recommend.

Edited by OldMarine, 21 July 2017 - 09:24 PM.

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 09:11 PM

Thanks OldMarine. I'll check into those

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Posted 22 July 2017 - 03:39 AM

Search Abe Books for books by A St H Brock -lots of good ones about history but get an original print, The Brock family were one of the early British makers and displayers of fireworks and A St H Brock was also a good author.

 

https://www.abebooks...17&an=Lancaster

 

https://www.abebooks...rtby=17&an=Bate (you an't afford an original 1635 print!) 

 

There is also a historical book by French author Audot from 18c or 19c which I can't locate at the moment -but it's in French! 



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Posted 22 July 2017 - 04:53 AM

Yep.  It's dangerous, sloppy stuff.  I helped 'edit' it.  Well... six other folks (who's names you might recognize) and I proof-read Dan's (Tom Perigrin) manuscript, and offered TONS of changes that were necessary in the interests of 'correctness' (many WRONG or incomplete formulae in it) and safety (really?  Boiling CIA powder in a GLASS coffee pot???).

 

ALL our changes were ignored, and it was published as-is, errors, safety hazards, and all.

 

Skip it.  Buy some real books.

 

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Posted 22 July 2017 - 07:32 AM

Starting out Blessers Round Stars and Shells is a good beginner book. Easy to understand. Some of these books are on Fireworks news.


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Posted 22 July 2017 - 08:37 AM

I always felt Lancaster was the best first book. Good balance, modern formulas, real builder.



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Posted 23 July 2017 - 11:35 AM

Thanks for all the info. I'll be doing a lot if research over the next few no. And be asking some questions.

I'm off to spend some money on books.

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 11:56 AM

It's the BEST money you can spend learning this hobby.  I recommend to all new or relatively-new pyros that the FIRST thing they should invest in is a good library.

 

I can't recommend highly enough Shimizu, Lancaster, and ALL of the Pyrotechnica series including Shimizu's monographs.  Then, with more experience under your belt, Weingart, Hardt, Shidlovskiy, and others.

 

Even a complete pyro library won't cost you more than fully-stocking your shelves just once with chemicals, so it's a really good start.

 

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 02:28 PM

If reading gives you the knowledge and wisdom to be safe then it's definitely worth the money, Where you don't learn the science of manufacture, you may learn the art of display.



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 03:54 AM

Anybody know where I can buy pyro books in Europe?

Journals "PYROTECHNICA: OCCASIONAL PAPERS IN PYROTECHNICS" are difficult to find.

Can anyone sell copies or photocopies of these journals (from Europe)?

Thank you.



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 05:49 AM

Yus,

If someone supplied photocopies of Pyrotechnica, they would be committing theft by way of copyright violation.  Those papers are still under active copyright.

 

They are currently published by Prometheus Publications, and I believe Warren will happily ship to Europe.  Please check their site at: https://www.abebooks...z-u.s.a/5764/sf

 

We are a small industry.  Writers and publishers of books make little money.  Please don't steal what little they make!

 

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PS....AHAH!  They were recently acquired by Amazon, and have an 'outlet' in Germany.  Now you have NO excuse to not purchase them!


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:24 AM

Anybody know where I can buy pyro books in Europe?

Journals "PYROTECHNICA: OCCASIONAL PAPERS IN PYROTECHNICS" are difficult to find.

Can anyone sell copies or photocopies of these journals (from Europe)?

Thank you.

 

Ned Gorski (who runs fireworking.com) has digital copies of Pyrotechnica 9 and 11 (and perhaps others), I know at one point he was helping people get the information, maybe hes worth an email.

He also has the hard copies for sale, if thats your cup of tea :)


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 05:35 PM

I bought Shimizu's  "Fireworks From A Physical Standpoint" just for the joy of owning the books and thought after a quick perusal they'd be over my head since my math skills leave much to be desired. Since I've been reading them I've found that although the math is still way over my head Dr. Shimizu's explanations make it very easy to understand.

Over 40 pyro books and still looking! 

I don't know how many know of this archived site but it's interesting as well: 

http://frozenhaxor.p...guide/index.htm


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:08 AM

Thank you for information and responces.



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Posted 15 September 2017 - 01:58 AM

PS....AHAH!  They were recently acquired by Amazon, and have an 'outlet' in Germany.  Now you have NO excuse to not purchase them!

I've just had a look on amazon.co.uk. They currently list only two volumes, 4 & 6, with both marked as 'currently unavailable'.

 

Amazon.de lists volumes 4, 5, 6 and 7 as 'Derzeit nicht verfügbar' which means ... yes, you guessed it!

 

Amazon.it lists volumes 5 and 6, marked as 'Non disponibile'.

 

Amazon.fr shows only a generic title which might be the correct item, but with no volume information. It is marked 'Actuellement indisponible'.

 

Amazon.com fares better, listing volumes 2, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 and 15. But, guess what, they are all 'currently unavailable'.

 

If I didn't already have copies, I'd be scratching my head about where to try next in Europe.



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Posted 15 September 2017 - 03:42 AM

Copies are illegal. I known. Is it possible to have them, but sign special copyright agreement (somehow, somewhere)?


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 08:03 AM

So far, I haven't found any current source. AbeBooks, at the website given by Lloyd, doesn't list them. All I've been able to find, on an old (2014) thread in the Pyrotechnics section is a possible email address: prometheus.publications@cox.net but it was a few years old even then. You could try sending an email and see if you get a response.



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Posted 15 September 2017 - 08:23 AM

That e-mail address is for Warren Klofkorn, the proprietor of Prometheus Publications.  He'd be a worthy person to contact.  I'm sure he can be contacted somehow through AbeBooks too.  The other person to contact would be the publisher, Robert Cardwell.  I don't have contact details off hand for him however.  


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 09:12 AM

Thanks Mumbles, I'm sure Yus - and anyone else looking for Pyrotechnica - will find that very helpful.

 

I've managed to find a 2005 Prometheus Publications price list, which gives the price of the full set as $269, which is a $30 discount on buying them individually. It's likely that postage may be extra, and I don't know if the price will have changed in the intervening period, but I doubt you will find them cheaper anywhere else - assuming you can find another source.






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