asdercks Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Hi guys,I just bought a 50lb bag of haifa multi k GG and I was wondering if I should I recrystallize my kno3 or can I just use it as it comes out of the bag, the stuff really looks good and as far as I can tell there is not a lot of debri on the powder although I know that even if the powder looks clean that doesn't mean there is no impurities present, so what do you think guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunzway Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I wouldn't bother recrystallizing it. http://www.haifa-group.com/products/plant_nutrition/multi_k_potassium_nitrate_fertilizer/multi_k_gg.aspx It seems pure enough for our uses even with some minor contamination. Recrystallization would be a major pain in the ass, but if you're a small-scale hobbyist (with a 50lb bag that seems unlikely), you've got nothing to lose if you only wanted a few hundred grams to muck around with purified. I've been using two fertilizer grades of potassium nitrate since starting out and they have both worked fine. I had some lab reagent grade which I picked up for free and I couldn't honestly tell any difference when I made some black powder with it. Charcoal type and quality plays a much larger role still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nater Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I have been using greenhouse grade Haifa crystals for a while straight out of the bag with no issues. I just bought a bag of technical grade Haifa, but I have not opened it yet to make any comparisons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I only use greenhouse grade, can`t see much point in buying lab grade unless you dont own a mill. The Haifa looks to be 97.4% pure, i`d spend the cash you save on some decent charcoal.. it`ll make more of a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdercks Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 I only use greenhouse grade, can`t see much point in buying lab grade unless you dont own a mill. The Haifa looks to be 97.4% pure, i`d spend the cash you save on some decent charcoal.. it`ll make more of a differenceand exactly what I did with the money I saved I got me some willow charcoal from customcharcoal.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeee Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Greenhouse grade will work just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrogeorge Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 The most importand thing of making fast bp is the charcoal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdercks Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 Hey thank you all for your replies, you guys really saved me from all the hustle of recrystallizing 50 lbs of kno3, although I did recrystallized 4 lb. while I was waiting for some replies to this post (kno3 still drying from the process), so I guess i'll have some kno3 to compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrogeorge Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 What charcoal do you use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdercks Posted November 2, 2013 Author Share Posted November 2, 2013 What charcoal do you use?willow charcoal from customcharcoal.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrojig Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) Most hydro grades of kno3 in my experience are up in the mid to high 90% range of purity. My last was closer to the 98-99% Edited November 3, 2013 by pyrojig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserface Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 make some hot bp with a good charcoal and test it against some commercial stuff, worst case scenario you just use more bp to list shells and fewer stars to get a harder break, not the end of the world. I am guessing this stuff is plenty pure for BP though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroticNurse Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 What are you using the KNO3 for? If its BP, its the same stuff that everyone else here uses. If you're using it along with sulfuric acid to make nitric acid to make NC, then, yes, purify it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdercks Posted November 4, 2013 Author Share Posted November 4, 2013 What are you using the KNO3 for? If its BP, its the same stuff that everyone else here uses. If you're using it along with sulfuric acid to make nitric acid to make NC, then, yes, purify it.I just want it to make bp, but since this is the first time I used this kind of kno3 I thought i should ask.never thought of making my own nitric acid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 With a commercial grade of KNO3 all it needs to purify it for BP is to dry it! Otherwise the mill will just clump solidly. Nitric acid has no place in fireworks manufacture and unless your practical chemistry is really good with good equipment the corrosive and toxic fumes will do more damage then you need to your room and lungs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice_maniac Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Hi, I use only Haifa KNO3, and the results are great, no need to purify it, although you can do it easly by dissolve it in warm water, filter it through cloth or filter paper, and cool it down to about 5 degree celsius, than dry it.to tell you the truth, it is not worth the trouble, good ballmill and charcoal, and you will have great results. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdercks Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share Posted November 9, 2013 Hi, I use only Haifa KNO3, and the results are great, no need to purify it, although you can do it easly by dissolve it in warm water, filter it through cloth or filter paper, and cool it down to about 5 degree celsius, than dry it.to tell you the truth, it is not worth the trouble, good ballmill and charcoal, and you will have great results.Thanks ice_maniac, the only thing I do now is to dry it in an oven for a couple of hours in case there was any moisture, and then store it with dessicant bags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LambentPyro Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Haifa has on there website Multi-K Absolute Potassium Nitrate which is supposed to be even purer than GG. http://www.haifa-group.com/products/plant_nutrition/multi_k_potassium_nitrate_fertilizer/multi_k_absolute/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdercks Posted January 18, 2014 Author Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) Haifa has on there website Multi-K Absolute Potassium Nitrate which is supposed to be even purer than GG. http://www.haifa-group.com/products/plant_nutrition/multi_k_potassium_nitrate_fertilizer/multi_k_absolute/seems ok, any idea of the price?, my GG cost me $62.75 plus shipping from a hydroponic store, but I am sure it'd be more cheaper buying from haifa and not a reseller Edited January 18, 2014 by asdercks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LambentPyro Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 seems ok, any idea of the price?, my GG cost me $62.75 plus shipping from a hydroponic store, but I am sure it'd be more cheaper buying from haifa and not a reseller They sell it by the pallet, I'm sure they wouldn't sell one 50 LB. bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdercks Posted January 19, 2014 Author Share Posted January 19, 2014 They sell it by the pallet, I'm sure they wouldn't sell one 50 LB. bag.I know they don't sell single bags, I'll shoot them an email to get a quotation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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