Potassiumchlorate Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) Bleser Aqua: Barium chlorate 53Potassium chlorate 12Copper carbonate 8Copper(II)oxide 8Red gum 10PVC 5Dextrin 4 Hardt Aquamarine: Barium chlorate 36Potassium perchlorate 30Copper carbonate 11Red gum 13Parlon 6Dextrin 4 Hardt Aquamarine is listed among the green compositions at PyroGuide. Considering that Bleser Aqua contains much more barium chlorate, it should be more towards the blue. Bleser Aqua is more blue than green for sure. To generalize quite a bit I find most of Bleser's compositions very good and innovative, while Hardt's compositions are good and hold an "even standard" but nothing extraordinary. Anyone who has made Hardt Aquamarine? Edited February 15, 2012 by Potassiumchlorate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allrocketspsl Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Bleser Aqua: Barium chlorate 53Potassium chlorate 12Copper carbonate 8Copper(II)oxide 8Red gum 10PVC 5Dextrin 4 Hardt AquamarineBarium chlorate 36Potassium perchlorate 30Copper carbonate 11Red gum 13Parlon 6Dextrin Hardt Aquamarine is listed among the green compositions at PyroGuide. Considering that Bleser Aqua contains much more barium chlorate, it should be more towards the blue. Bleser Aqua is more blue than green for sure. To generalize quite a bit I find most of Bleser's composition very good and innovative, while Hardt's compositions are good and hold an "even standard" but nothing extraordinary. Anyone who has made Hardt Aquamarine? funny you asked Im going to make some today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potassiumchlorate Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share Posted February 15, 2012 Good. Tell us about your results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaMtnBkr Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Wouldn't the higher percentage of barium chlorate in Bleser's formula move it more towards green than the Hardt? I have no idea, just what I would have thought from more barium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mumbles Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 They actually both have pretty similar Barium : Copper ratios. I'd expect the Blesser formula to be a little more green, but that they should be fairly similar. I'm sure they're both good formulas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potassiumchlorate Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) Wouldn't the higher percentage of barium chlorate in Bleser's formula move it more towards green than the Hardt? I have no idea, just what I would have thought from more barium. It's more blue than green, despite the 53% barium chlorate. Its looks like deep sea water at the edges and greenish-blue at the center. The Hardt formula would be cheaper, though, epsecially if one could use potassium chlorate instead of potassium perchlorate. Barium chlorate is expensive and so are copper compounds. It shouldn't be impossible to use potassium chlorate and shellac instead of potassium perchlorate and red gum, should it? Edited February 15, 2012 by Potassiumchlorate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potassiumchlorate Posted February 16, 2012 Author Share Posted February 16, 2012 By the way, why do you think it is potassium perchlorate and not potassium chlorate in the Hardt formula? To make the composition more stable and/or while potassium perchlorate works better with copper carbonate? I changed it to: Barium chlorate 36Potassium chlorate 30Copper carbonate 11Shellac 13Parlon 6 and added acetone, using both shellac and parlon as binders. Will be interesting to see what it looks like compared to the orginal. The shellac should make the flame bigger and clearer, and there should be more chlorine with potassium chlorate than with potassium perchlorate. In another thread I said that I'm abandoning binding with parlon and acetone more and more except for in magnesium stars, but it was so tempting to try the unusual combination shellac/parlon as binders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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