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Posted 15 August 2010 - 04:56 PM

Made my first batch of glitter comp this weekend, #39. I needed a delay comp on my 1lb stinger missiles and I thought this might look pretty good leading up to the header. I used an N95 respirator and gloves due to the Barium and Antinomy. I used mixed hardwood airfloat from Hobby Chemical and screened the comp 4 times through a 20 mesh screen and tried a 1/2 tsp pile loose just to see the effect. Very nice! I'll give an update after I try out the stingers next weekend at our club shoot. I don't have a vid camera, but our shoots are usually taped so I should have some vid to post....I hopePosted Image
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Posted 14 May 2012 - 03:45 AM

hi to all!!! can someone to tell me please which effect of all these winokur are near to this effect?????/ ( who have done it...) ( youtube
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at 02:10 silver flashing comets..... and something else...if someone knows which of all winokur pinkish glitters are the best and more red of all...thanks!!
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 12:22 PM

Made my first batch of glitter comp this weekend, #39. I needed a delay comp on my 1lb stinger missiles and I thought this might look pretty good leading up to the header. I used an N95 respirator and gloves due to the Barium and Antinomy. I used mixed hardwood airfloat from Hobby Chemical and screened the comp 4 times through a 20 mesh screen and tried a 1/2 tsp pile loose just to see the effect. Very nice! I'll give an update after I try out the stingers next weekend at our club shoot. I don't have a vid camera, but our shoots are usually taped so I should have some vid to post....I hopePosted Image


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 09:43 AM

I just made 250g Winokur #20 formula from Tom Perigrin's book Introductory Practical Pyrotechnics. When I fired a pumped star from my star gun, it just burned dim.   After reading the formulas posted here it seems that in his book the table on flitters and glitters has an error. The chart for #20 shows no sulfur and for #13 show 17 parts. It looks like #13 should be 9 parts sulfur and #20 should be 17 parts.  This would also make all the formulas add back up to 100 in the book.  Thanks for the thread.



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Posted 25 November 2014 - 10:39 AM

Yeah glitter needs some sulfur or antimony to work right. I have been told antimony can be replaced with sulfur and will work well. But I don't know if and how it changes the appearance.

I have yet to try it myself but trust the source. And with the price of antimony going up and it's toxicity, it may be worth trying.

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 11:01 AM

If you want to see how a glitter works without any sulfur and only antimony trisulfide, just check out Win 39.  It's a fairly popular formula.  Also, the toxicity of Sb2S3 is largely overblown by people reading too much into MSDS and hypochondriacs.  Unless you're literally eating it by the spoonful, you'll be fine.  The LC50 for ingestion is around 1.5g/kg of body weight.  The inhalation is similar, though has a slow clearance rate.  Wear a dust mask, like you should be anyway, and you're fine. 

 

To me, the most attractive glitters are made with some component of both antimony trisulfide and sulfur.  Win 39 is just odd. 

 

Introductory Practical Pyrotechnics has a multitude of errors that have never been corrected, along with other issues.  Not many people really recommend it as a suitable book for beginners anymore. 


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Posted 25 November 2014 - 12:20 PM

No, it's not terribly toxic but is one of the more toxic common pyro chems. I also have my body and life permanently damaged from exposure to chemicals so I am a bit more paranoid but far from a hypochondriac.

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 03:07 PM

After adding in the missing sulfur the test out of the star gun was perfect.  I will definitely be double checking my formulas from now on.



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Posted 03 December 2017 - 07:51 AM

Winokur #36 test 
 



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Posted 05 December 2017 - 07:42 PM

Formula please



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Posted 05 December 2017 - 08:04 PM

Here i guess?

 

(Link changed as per the suggestion of Mum below. What would we do, what would we be, without him.)


Edited by MrB, 06 December 2017 - 06:16 AM.


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 01:07 AM

You may also find the first post in this thread useful.  Probably even more so considering the formula in that link is incorrect.  It was taken from this forum many years ago before I went through and corrected all the typos.  


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 06:15 AM

Go figure. I didn't actually verify the composition, and now i have to stand here, with the shaded face.



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Posted 06 December 2017 - 07:03 AM

Winokur #36

Potassium Nitrate 38 
Barium Nitrate 16
Aluminium, (atom, spher, 120-325 mesh, 20 micron) 12
Charcoal Airfloat 10
Sulfur 10
Iron (III) Oxide, red 10
Dextrin 4

 
All according to this composition
except dextrin
I used a wallpaper glue "Quelyd"
I create a jelly from the glue and add to it the composition,
to the desired consistency, from which to cut the stars


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 02:01 PM

Why would you add glue to a composition? It's dextrin bound, just add water. And not a whole lot of it. If you don't have dextrin, go shopping. In a pinch, make your own from starch.


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 03:13 PM

I do not like dextrin, it's too hydroscopic in my climate
and in comparison with this glue it needs more in composition
In addition, this glue burns perfectly, and gives a more ductile mass
 
Here is an example of how this glue burns
 
p.s. and I also have dextrin


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:49 AM

I also use wallpaper glue (ready mixed) for my glitter comps. I find it superior to using dextrin - it holds less water, and consolidates into nice hard stars which function nicely.






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