SpikedCola Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 When I was browsing the chemical storage room in our barn, I came across some Kocide by DuPont, a potent fungicide. Then I noticed that it contains 52.7% Copper Hydroxide. How would I purify this, or is copper hydroxide even useful in pyrotechnic compositions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Chemist Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Asking how to purify something is useless when the contaminats are not given. CuO(can be made from Cu(OH)2(note that it not CuOH) in a trivial procedure) has use in a really nice thermite with aluminum powder, and in some dragon eggs compositions if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikedCola Posted August 3, 2006 Author Share Posted August 3, 2006 Problem is, I dont know what contaminates are mixed with it. All that is stated is that there is Copper Hydroxide in it. I even read through the safety booklet, and it doesnt specify. However, at $100 for a 10kg bag, Im thinking that $100 for 5kg of Copper Hydroxide is a bit expensive, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asilentbob Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 I think i read something about a copper salt or mixture used pure in agriculture as a fungicide that had uses in pyro. Copper oxychloride, IIRC. It is several different copper compounds, oxides, hydroxides, and chlorides in varying crystal structures. I think that the product would mention the others though... Perhaps you could find out what the other compounds are with solubilities, reactions, and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikedCola Posted August 5, 2006 Author Share Posted August 5, 2006 Youd think DuPont would have to state whats in the fertalizer though. Im assuming everything is organic, because it dissolves in water and whatever fillers are used can be broken down. Ill have to look around their site for a MSDS EDIT So much for that idea:Material ........................ CAS Number ..... %COPPER HYDROXIDE* ..... 20427-59-2 ..... 53.8INERT INGREDIENTS ............................... 46.2 *Metallic Copper Equivalent 35% Components not precisely identified are proprietary or nothazardous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swany Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Organic doesn't quite mean water soluable, usually contrary to that. Soluabilities are based on polarities, i.e. a seperation of charge within the molecule. If you don't want the copper hydroxide, but rather the copper salt, you could ppt. an insoluable copper salt or just try to recrystallize. Since inert fillers probably means inert fillers, they are perhaps very cheap, and salt or similar comes to mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0lx Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 WTF? Cu(OH)2 is insoluble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikedCola Posted August 10, 2006 Author Share Posted August 10, 2006 DuPont states that this is CuOH. Maybe CuOH is soluble but Cu(OH)2 isnt? When we use the chemical, its mixed in a 1000gal tank of water and agitated, so either its soluble or stays suspended in the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swany Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Could be CuOH, copper does exist in +1 oxidation states, though I do not know how suceptible to oxidation it is... I am also not sure about the soluability of the Cu+1 cation. CuCl is rather insoluable, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0lx Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 IIRC all hydroxides after IIA group are insoluable. prove me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Chemist Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 HOCl yes yes, only a fringe example. I really doubt the existance of copper(I) hydroxideAnd the expense of the few copper (I) compounds seem to prohibit their bulk use in pesticides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikedCola Posted August 11, 2006 Author Share Posted August 11, 2006 Each 10kg bag is worth $100. However, It could be Cu(OH)2, but Im only saying CuOH because thats what it says on their site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mumbles Posted August 13, 2006 Share Posted August 13, 2006 That quote itself indicates Copper (II) Hydroxide. The CAS number given is that of Copper (II) Hydroxide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chemguy Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 Copper hydroxide is way easier to make mix drano (or NaOH) with copper sulphate, they're both fairly cheap and easy to get. Then after you have mixed them, filter the solution, wash the Cu(OH)2 and dry it. It's pure, cheap, homemade. And it makes pyro compounds burn bright green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mumbles Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 Unfortunatly it's not quite that easy. If the solutions of the chemicals are not dilute enough, it produces CuO. Also, there is a problem of sodium contamination. You're going to be washing for a long time. I did 10 washings on my CuO I made, and it still came out quite contaminated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pretty green flame Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 Would it not be better (from a pyro perspective) to use KOH, potassium contamination is much more forgiving than sodium contamination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mumbles Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 Yes it indeed would. Unfortunatly for the kewls who use drano, KOH is harder to obtain. However anyone with his head out of his ass should have little trouble obtaining it. I was just doing a test at the time when I used NaOH, to try out some CuO production methods. I do have a method that doesn't require boiling BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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