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#1 madmax247

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 12:29 PM

Im making a large batch of blue today and i was wondering whether from anyones experience if the lactose blue formula was better than the supposedly legendary conkling blue formula?

Here are the forumlas:

Lactose Blue:

KP: 58
Lactose: 15
Parlon: 9
CuO: 8
Red Gum: 4
Sulphur: 3
Magnalium: 3

Conkling Blue:

Potassium perchlorate 65
Black copper oxide 14
Parlon 9
Red gum 7
Dextrin 5

Edited by madmax247, 30 June 2010 - 12:34 PM.


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Posted 30 June 2010 - 12:41 PM

Im making a large batch of blue today and i was wondering whether from anyones experience if the lactose blue formula was better than the supposedly legendary conkling blue formula?

Here are the forumlas:

Lactose Blue:

KP: 58
Lactose: 15
Parlon: 9
CuO: 8
Red Gum: 4
Sulphur: 3
Magnalium: 3

Conkling Blue:

Potassium perchlorate 65
Black copper oxide 14
Parlon 9
Red gum 7
Dextrin 5



The lactose blue formula is kinda "washed out" IMO. I'm sure the Mg/Al is to blame. I never tried it without the mg/al. The IIRC the Conkling blue is okay for a KP blue. It's been awhile since I made it .

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Edited by Goofy, 30 June 2010 - 12:47 PM.

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 02:06 AM

Pihko Blue is also a good blue if you're willing to try it. Looks pretty similar to Conkling.

Pihko KP #2 - Blue

Potassium perchlorate 63
Black copper oxide 13
Parlon 14
Red gum 10

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 02:11 AM

Oooh, I like that blue. I believe I'll try making some.

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 12:39 PM

Pihko Blue is also a good blue if you're willing to try it. Looks pretty similar to Conkling.

Pihko KP #2 - Blue

Potassium perchlorate 63
Black copper oxide 13
Parlon 14
Red gum 10

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Gunzway, thats a nice blue. Ive tried the veline and Conkling, but thats really nice!!! Was this a starmine?

Edited by Cookieman, 01 July 2010 - 06:03 PM.

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 09:38 PM

I used to use a formula very similar to the Phiko blue. That formula is essentially a rounded off version of Shimizu blue #70, another known very nice blue. I really like it, though I use another but very similar formula.
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Posted 01 July 2010 - 10:46 PM

Mind sharing, or is it Top Secret?
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Posted 01 July 2010 - 11:00 PM

Pyro Science Blue:
Potassium Perchlorate 66.1
Copper Oxide 13.4
Parlon 10.7
Red Gum 9.8
Dextrin 5

Total 105
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Posted 02 July 2010 - 02:35 AM

Gunzway, thats a nice blue. Ive tried the veline and Conkling, but thats really nice!!! Was this a starmine?


Cookieman,

Much to my dismay, that was a flowerpot of a 2" ball shell. I had some friends helping me construct them for NYE and the hot gluing and pasting jobs were quite mediocre. But they told me they would rather quantity over quality, so that's what we got for some of them :glare:.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 08:12 AM

So phiko is the best choise for KP based blue? Because in my opinion its not bright enough. I did think of a MgAl based or Al based blue. But then you will get whitespots in the star. Anyone have any suggestions?

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 11:19 AM

Are you sure the camera did catch the true color? I´ve tried quite a few perc/CuO blues and they were nowhere near this. Cameras are known to "tune and push" blues...

Edit: Just realized that´s quite an old topic, sorry.

@Weirdo: Your post shows that it depends on what you want from a "good" blue. Try Velines or some of Baechles formulas (which are really good!), e.g. System 6.

Edited by AdmiralDonSnider, 11 October 2010 - 11:31 AM.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 12:39 PM

Before I went to CuBenz blues I was using:

KClO4: 62
Parlon: 15
CuO: 13
Hexamine: 10

Total: 100

Not sure I remember whos this was or if it was a spin off but it had good saturation, burn speed and needed slight BP priming when hand pressed (body weight) into 1/2" pellets.

Now that I can do the synthesis on CuBenz, that's all I use- amazing Cop-light blue.
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Posted 11 October 2010 - 12:41 PM

Now that I can do the synthesis on CuBenz, that's all I use- amazing Cop-light blue.


Would you share the formula you use? AP based (that would be a snag)?

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 12:57 PM

Just went back and reviewed the thread on the CuBenz-

DonS, you were part of that:

CuBenz Blue

Didn't mean to hyjack this blue discussion, yes it is the AP/CuBenz/NC composition. I'm guessing some folks don't have access to the AP hence the alternate topic?
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Posted 11 October 2010 - 01:07 PM

Itīs not only about the availability (or elevated prize), but also about chemical incompatibility.

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 04:42 PM

Pihko Blue is also a good blue if you're willing to try it. Looks pretty similar to Conkling.

Pihko KP #2 - Blue

Potassium perchlorate 63
Black copper oxide 13
Parlon 14
Red gum 10


That looks like a great blue! Being such a simple comp, can anyone tell if the camara is playing tricks on us?
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Posted 11 October 2010 - 06:39 PM

That looks like a great blue! Being such a simple comp, can anyone tell if the camara is playing tricks on us?


Pihko is one of the best out there thats pretty much what it looks like
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Posted 12 October 2010 - 12:17 AM

Yes, the photo is a relatively accurate representation of its colour. Sadly, I had other images/videos of the composition but I lost them. Watching them further back always yielded a nice colour.

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 07:53 AM

Somewhere in the compositions section there is a NH4ClO4/hexamine/Cu blue, which is my favorite.

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 09:00 AM

The Phiko blue is very close to what I use, and the color is pretty accurate. I think they all look a little washed out up close, but in the air they're very blue.
Just so you guys quit asking, here is the link to the old forum. http://www.xsorbit2....forum/index.cgi

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