Zeppelin Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Hello everyone, I am wondering if it is a good idea to sell salutes to people at school. I am realllllly strapped for cash right now, my monthly income is around $20 a month. Since fireworks are very illegal here in Canada they are in high demand and i could sell them for a huge profit. Your imput\experiences are appreciated. Thanks,Zeppelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyroPicasso Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 If you want to go to jail than it is a good idea. Many amateur pyros have done this and many have had bad experiences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Zeppelin if someone finds out that your selling fireworks, especially salutes, that shouldn't be finding out like say a teacher or parent you could get in serious trouble. And if your bringing them to school and the teachers find out, they could take it as a bomb (depending on how large your salutes are)or something and call the cops. They'll probably charge you with distributing (and manufacturing-if you made it) of illegal fireworks. SO in other words unless your life depends on it or jail is worth it by all means go ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco_Aster Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Its not a good idea and I don't support it....but....if you do, remember: Be carefull WHO you sell them too, WHAT you sell, and WHERE you sell them. WHO - Friends. Popular people are good too because they wont buy then then go tell the police or teachers, but they will tell other people in the school. WHAT - I would avoid anything that goes bang. Smoke, fountains, small spinners. WHERE - Not at school, or before. If people at school get caught setting them off or soething they will be questioned as to where they got them from. But again - I wouldn't do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinflint Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 It seriously seems like 3 out of 4 people how get busted for pyro don't get caught because they made stuff for personal use. It always happens when they start selling stuff to people they think they can trust. The fact is that the moment a device leaves your hands you don't have any control over it and when they get caught they will send the word right back to you. To tell you the truth, anyone that has to buy salutes probably doesn't have enough commitment to the hobby to stay safe. Chances are they won't treat the things with as much care as they should. This applies to both their health and legal situations. They might get injured or arrested and that's hurtful for the hobby. I urge you not to sell directly to them. What you could do is go with your friends to blow something up while your there and sell the devices that way (this might not be a popular scenario). Don't let the devices leave your hands. There is a reason that salutes are illegal and personally that is the way I believe it should be. When a moron is using them they can be extremely dangerous. I'm not asking for an arguement on this subject so please nobody start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppelin Posted March 1, 2006 Author Share Posted March 1, 2006 Alright thanks guys, I think you changed my mind If you were willing to take the risk, it would be big money though. (around here at least) Has anyone ever sold large quantities and got away with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximusg Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Yeah, i agree on the most part. Selling illegal fireworks is nasty business, i dont think you have put your self in a preffered situation for it to be undertaken with any chance of not being caught . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozentech Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Not to mention, if you make a salute, sell it, and anyone involved gets hurt or caught, you could well put the supplier out of business where you got the materials. In other words, every amateur pyro in Canada could suffer because you sell a banger to a punk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swany Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I have sold one salute in my life. It was actually a trade, and I got some stuff that I needed from the person, and it was pretty nessisary. I was walking back from the lab 2 hours after I gave him it, and I heard a loud bang, about 3km away. It wasnt thunder. I rang him up on his cell phone, and sure enough, they did it on some deserted street... I wanted to chop his testicles off and feed them to my goldfish. We even agreed that that is *not* what he would do... ahh well. Never again. One sale was all it took and I was basically screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSidewinder Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Yeah, like they say: "Two people can keep a secret, as long as one of them is dead." Glad you came to your senses. It's not worth getting caught. M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pyrokid00000 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Very very bad idea. All it takes is one asshole to lose his fingers. Then you get sewed for all you have by his parents. Good idea not to sell them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyroJoe Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Does anybody here know how much licensing costs for this sort of thing? All I could find was basic prices at a BATF license site, they were all 200 dollars for different licenses and one of them was for manufacturing and selling. I wasn't sure how accurate this price was because thats all they had on each license. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyroPicasso Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 If you are thinking about selling ground salutes forget about it. The only people that will be able to buy them are people that have the license to make them. It is a bad idea to sell things you make, because as soon as they get hurt they will come after you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyroJoe Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Im not talking about making and selling salutes, im talking about making and selling shells, rockets, etc. Yes they would need a license. My dad used to do a small hand lit show for our old neighborhood every year and he bought some kind of temporary license, so he could buy and shoot the big stuff. I think he bought mostly 4" shells and under. He got them from a guy who made them in his own little shop. I remember going to the guys shop and he had 12 and 16 inch shells sitting there... I was pretty young though. Sadly that same guy is now in prison! Not for pyro though... I guess he was caught selling illegal fire arms from his garage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepkool79 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I love this hobby so much and anyone thinking about selling shit like large ground salutes is an asshole. That is the reason firefox is going to court. I am trying to put every extra penny I have into the fireworks foundation to defend them while you sit there, thinking about doing the very thing that is making all the trouble for our beloved hobby. Shame on you, Aside from that, when I make things it is for me to fire and others to enjoy. I will not even let people light the fuse on the stuff that I build. If I made something and someone got hurt because of it I would be devastated. Thinking about someone getting there hand blown off with something I made scares me. I cannot believe that people would make something, knowing how dangerous it is, then just selling it to the first person with $5. And again, if you do not care about your stuff hurting people, think about screwing up the hobby for the rest of us. One more hand blown up is more ammunition for the feds to stop hobby fireworks all together. Think before you do something so stupid.Think before you act, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppelin Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 Hey keepkool chill the fuck out. I am not an asshole. I dont know very much about pyro so that is why i asked the question, and i took the advise of the forum and never sold anything. And as you say "Think before you act" is that not EXACTLY what I was doing posting this topic? Anyways, no hard feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepkool79 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I think there is a lot of money in selling crack. If you turn on some middle school kid that has rich parents you could make a killing. Please donate 10% of your profit to the fireworks foundation. As for thinking before you act; you seem like you have some type of common sense, if not you would have killed yourself messing around with fireworks, with that said, don't you think you could get advise on something like that from a better source? People on the internet tell anyone asking that they can make flash by mixing chlorate, sulfur, and aluminum. As for getting worked up, sorry to come of like an asshole, I keep hearing stupid shit that people are doing, fucking this hobby up for all of us. It gets old. We all need to be greatful that we are a part of this and do everything we can not to fuck it up.Later, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanotherpyro Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Altough you could have been more tactful, you are right. We don't need to set ourselves up for a media crisis of a kid selling another kid a " bomb " and getting hurt/killed. keepkool, do we not come here because we trust the information others are providing, and because we can talk like mature pyrotechnicians not kewls? This isn't a forum where he would have asked " Is it smart to sell ground salutes because I need the money " and others would have responded " dood give me sum ". Case in point, I have learned that to use these fireworks, takes respect for them. Respect that comes from researching what they can do, personally handling dangerous chemicals and then getting the pleasure of igniting them. Not just buying them in Mexico from a shantie and blowing up cacti. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Keepkool; his coming here and asking us this very question, tells us to things: - He thinks before he acts, and also want other peoples opinion - He believes he will get better answers here than to mix "chlorate, sulfur, and aluminium" as you said Also, why is it always that discussions escalates into everyone putting their word in, even though it has been said before? After posting this topic, Zeppelin recieved 4 replies asking him not to do it. He said "Alright thanks guys, I think you changed my mind". He really didn't need the soccer mom speech. We know about the CSPC, and people are trying to donate. I even donated, although I live in Norway, and it wont change my situation a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepkool79 Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 I like to read the post and ask for help with something if I need to, but NO, I would not trust my life with the information on this site or any other internet site for that matter. I always cross reference everything I hear or read especially when dealing with on-line resources. I will say that this is one of the better sites for fireworks info, but again, I would not trust it with my life. I will say one more time that I may have been a little hard on the person wanting to profit off selling fireworks, it is a tuff time for out hobby and we need to do everything we can to defend it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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