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#21 Mumbles

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Posted 16 July 2007 - 02:06 PM

Won't work. Stick to the known acceptable electrodes. Just trying random metals and materials probably won't do very much for you besides waste time and chemicals.
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Posted 19 July 2007 - 05:11 AM

Oh I see, and Ive finished building my chlorate cell and its been running at full power for three days now.

Just a random question: has anyone tried the boiling method found here:

http://www.skepticfi.../new/003doc.htm

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Posted 19 July 2007 - 06:43 AM

This will work, but it is a highly stupid method. You will get about 20 grams from a liter of bleach.... really really stupid dont you think?

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Posted 19 July 2007 - 06:50 AM

This will work, but it is a highly stupid method. You will get about 20 grams from a liter of bleach.... really really stupid dont you think?

It's not stupid, just really inefficient.
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Posted 19 July 2007 - 09:31 PM

Of course it's a stupid idea, its found in the Anarchist Cookbook. "Jolly Roger" and "Exodus" were the give aways. Just stay away from things that were written with those names.
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Posted 21 July 2007 - 12:11 PM

I have created a chlorate cell and am creating NaClO3, which I will convert to KClO3.

I am using 2 lead electrodes the anode has a layer of PbO on it, and I am wondering if that will work. In all of my readings I have seen PbO2 used but never PbO.
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Posted 21 July 2007 - 08:37 PM

Boiling the solution at the hypochlorite stage to convert it to chlorate... or boiling the solution if the cell has been running enough to make chlorate to convert any residual hypochlorite to chlorate before isolation... is common in any professional method. Its not stupid. Its smart.

Using bleach conversion instead of electrolysis because they don't have the knowledge to maintain a cell... is probably a good idea for them too... other wise there might be more Cl2 related kewl deaths.... Relatively speaking of course.

All that ACB bull is just people writing down stuff they heard from other people at keggers... criticize the intended use, lack of safety, "book", etc... don't criticize the chemistry behind it.
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Posted 21 July 2007 - 08:43 PM

I know the boiling/cooling method is from a questionable source, but...would it work if you only wanted a very small amount of KCLO3 (say, for crossette breakers)? Edit: I take the as a yes^^^

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Posted 22 July 2007 - 12:48 AM

I have created a chlorate cell and am creating NaClO3, which I will convert to KClO3.

I am using 2 lead electrodes the anode has a layer of PbO on it, and I am wondering if that will work. In all of my readings I have seen PbO2 used but never PbO.

IIRC PbO isn't even conductive. If your cell conducts that can mean only several things:
1) Your PbO isnt really PbO(is it yellow)?
2) Your PbO is just too flaky and it is just hanging there while the lead does all the work.

I have seen somewhere that it will be possible to make chlorate with lead anodes' however this method isnt very pleasent because after the process is over you will be left with quite a lot toxic mess. (Lead wont withstand the harsh conditions in the cell)

PS asilentbob i didnt mean that it is a stupid method overall, I also boil down my solutions after the electrolisys in order to kill all the hypochlorite and convert it to chlorate, however to go and buy a gallon of bleach, boil it down to 1/5 of its volume (I guess it will take about 2 hours and stink the whole neighbourhood) in order to get about 20-40 grams of chorate IS stupid.
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Posted 22 July 2007 - 10:24 AM

I spoke too soon, it was yellow but it turned black and started conducting much better after about thirty minutes.
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Posted 23 July 2007 - 05:05 AM

probably oxidized to PbO2' however, the coating was probably just not consistant.

How is the electrolizing going? (as a matter of fact i dont believe it will lead to anything good)

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Posted 23 July 2007 - 09:45 AM

I am getting a white precipitate in the bottom of the cell, I'm not sure if that is a good thing or not....

Currently (pun intended) I am using 6V at 80amps, makes alot of beeg beeg bubbles when I use Al foil to make H2 gas, and alot of small bubbles in my chlorate cell.
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Posted 24 July 2007 - 06:40 AM

I'm getting nervous just reading this thread.
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Posted 24 July 2007 - 07:28 PM

I'm getting excited just reading this thread. Perc won't be around for purchase much longer, and I sure as hell want to be able to make it if necessary. As dangerous or hard as it might be, it's definitely do-able.

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Posted 25 July 2007 - 01:20 PM

has anyone ever bought guide from ebay ?

i want to know if its reliable enough or is it just a ripoff :rolleyes:
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Posted 25 July 2007 - 01:31 PM

Why bother, people here on APC will help you at no cost ;)
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Posted 25 July 2007 - 05:08 PM

:D he he i guess your right , did you see how much chlorate is selling for ? a handy profit$$
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Posted 27 July 2007 - 01:15 AM

Iíve just set up a pretty simple chlorate cell, now what I want to know is whether both the cathode and anode are too bubble(I always thought it was just the anode).

Iím using graphite rods and a computer power supply, I changed what colour wire the + - was attached to till I found one where the anode bubbles the most but the cathode still bubble a bit.
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Posted 27 July 2007 - 05:56 AM

Well, that is what is happening to my cell whenever i run it, so i think thats ok, it happened on a video of a guy making a chlorate cell on eBay.(trial video).
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Posted 04 August 2007 - 10:51 AM

It would seem this process is hard to do wrong,http://www.instructa...GXGY5PF23Z375E/ would this work at all, i want to do (sort of) the same thing but use tungsten electrodes, a car battery charger as the power source and potassium chloride as the starting point, any thing else i should know?




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