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#21 Plasmaniax

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 08:15 AM

Well, looks like the coffee grinder broke. Guess it's time to build a new ball mill, because my last one's motor was sub par and broke also. I think I'm going to use a motor from a large broken vacuum. Things at home can get you sometimes all the way with your ball mill.

#22 Arthur

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 11:04 AM

NO!  you don't start with a brush motor for a mill powder will leak sometime and sparks will fire it. First you find or buy a TEFC induction motor. OR you buy a proper ball mill.



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Posted 14 September 2018 - 11:20 AM

Chill man, i ain't using the brush motor, I'm using the vacuum motor. Not sure why the choice of motor will make powder leak from a very well sealed container, and the brush motor might produce sparks, i am aware of that danger, but the other one might not. Thank you for being concerned.

#24 Sulphurstan

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 12:06 PM

Yep we must chill 😑.
I'm using a fan motor (brush also! And 220v 😱)
BUT I have a thick wooden shield between the motor axis and the mill and I always Scotch tape my mill lid. I really feel very safe about that.
It's like in the job: risk analysis and then pragmatic parades.

#25 justvisiting

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 02:19 PM

Black powder can be made by milling the components singly and screen-mixing together. Charcoal and potassium nitrate can be purchased pre-milled now, as well. Using a rock tumbler, you can make black powder faster by milling the charcoal and potassium nitrate separately. 3 component milling takes much longer to make good powder. Don't anybody get your knickers in a twist over that statement. I'm talking about rock tumblers, NOT 'proper' mills.

 

Here's a little tutorial I made when the question was posed whether commercial airfloat could be used to make lift. Yes, it can. In my VERY limited research, I immediately found that varying the charcoal percentage (upwards) could turn a sows ear into a purse made from a sows ear. This was not my idea, I read about it in AFN. 

http://pyrobin.com/f...hells Using.pdf

 

The same vendor also sells pre-milled paulownia charcoal, which makes better powder yet. 

As suggested by OldMarine and MANY others, ERC pet bedding makes charcoal that is easy to reduce and makes hot BP.

 

Another member recently advised me of his method that makes use of a new twist that makes good BP by a highly simplified method. Once we dispose of the notion that 3 component milling or ridiculously complex 'alternate' procedures are needed to make very good or even excellent black powder, we can pay more attention to fine-tuning the newer simple methods.



#26 Plasmaniax

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Posted Yesterday, 11:06 AM

Speaking of simple, i just had to buy a powerful blender for 20 and it makes the best stuff! In 10 minutes too.

#27 justvisiting

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Posted Yesterday, 03:23 PM

Plasmaniax, I assume you are joking. For your sake, I hope so.



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Posted Yesterday, 07:49 PM

Speaking of simple, i just had to buy a powerful blender for 20 and it makes the best stuff! In 10 minutes too.

I agree with justvisting. You could just the sulfur and charcoal and the potassium in another then hand mix them together. If the three ingredients are fine enough all ready then just hand mixing will work for a lower powered black powder that works for a lot of things. When mixing in a power mixer the combine ingredients can float into the motor area and a spark can set it off, that's the danger with doing it that way.


Edited by patsroom, Yesterday, 07:50 PM.


#29 kingkama

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Posted Today, 06:09 AM

No one made BP in old school way... Wooden mallet in a big stone mortar, 5 to 10 % moisture 1.50 minutes of hammering for gram. For century BP was made like that. The time required for a usable BP (12 to 15 shell weight) is far less than ball mill. Obviously with ball mill BP is far better and safe to make.





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