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How to make a cheap Indoor ATF Type 4 (IV) Storage Magazine for Display Fireworks


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#1 jordanm

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 02:25 PM

This is my video i made of How to make a cheap Indoor ATF Type 4 (IV) Storage Magazine for Display Fireworks.

 


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Posted 25 September 2017 - 04:42 PM

Are you intending to use this to obtain a licence?  I don't ask for any particular reason, other than to keep us posted on the progress and federal/state acceptance.  


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Posted 25 September 2017 - 08:48 PM

Nice start, and looks nice, jordanm. Some possible options to consider... I've used rounded head carriage bolts through the wall studs, (facing outside) with the nuts on the inside, that can't be unbolted from the outside. Also took the 'feet' off to use it on it's side, with the door swinging from right go left, and removed the hinge support arms and cylinder (as they are sparking steel). I used safe 'RedHeads' to anchor the new floor through the cement slab (it's not going anywhere) I also used plywood cladding inside with expanding foam to cover gaps and covered any non-conformal surfaces wit the same bed liner that you used. Its great stuff. Very nice job box you have! Please keep us updated as to how the inspection progresses. Lots of us are interested in this one.
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Posted 26 September 2017 - 04:43 PM

Yes i applied for my license here in Michigan about three weeks ago now and will be using this as my magazine to obtain my license. I will make a follow up video of how the inspection goes and keep everyone updated.

 

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Posted 30 September 2017 - 04:25 AM

MI eh? Cool. When I hit the lottery I was gonna apply here too :D

 

Good luck and keep us posted.


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Posted 02 November 2017 - 10:02 AM

I received my inspection by the ATF agent out of Detroit yesterday. He was very happy with the construction of my magazine and had no questions about it. The only question that arose was my location. He came to the conclusion that it was too close to inhabited buildings since it was 137 feet away instead of 150 feet. We browsed the property and found a more suitable location for the magazine outdoors or in another shed further away from its current location. We also went over best practices for storage and some of the other laws in the orange book. He left yesterday issuing my permit and said that he would come back to qualify the magazine when I had relocated it. After browsing around the internet and gathering my evidence about distance tables applying to outdoor magazines only, I emailed him back and supplied the information to him. He then contacted a variance officer in Washington and discussed indoor type 4 magazines distance tables and the conclusion was that the TOD does not apply to indoor type 4 storage magazines. He had already taken pictures and all the details of where the magazine is currently located and stated that he will be able to qualify it in its current location. So in conclusion the inspection and qualification went very well and only took about an hour and I will now have my permit. I do have to say the inspector I got was very nice and he also agreed that the inspectors now a day are not as bad as they used to be. If anyone has any other questions about how the inspection went I will gladly answer them.


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Posted 03 November 2017 - 03:07 AM

Excellent news! Well done, sir.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 10:56 AM

Here is one to watch for in the future.The last inspection i had on my type 1 is they cornered me about some paint whether or not it's spark resistant. Luckily i used epoxy paint. Before they left i glued a board over it. 


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Posted 16 November 2017 - 09:49 AM

Here is one to watch for in the future.The last inspection i had on my type 1 is they cornered me about some paint whether or not it's spark resistant. Luckily i used epoxy paint. Before they left i glued a board over it. 

I kept the can that the bedliner came in just in case they question this. I also kept the box for the masterlocks in case they wanted to see them.



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Posted 25 September 2018 - 06:46 AM

Hi, I am new to the site and I also live in MI. I am looking to get my FEL and so I am also building at storage magazine. I was looking to do something similar.

 

One question that I have is; do you have to bolt the box to the floor of the shed? 



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Posted 30 August 2019 - 06:43 AM

I want to thank you for helping me down the correct path. This knowledge is priceless. I really do appreciate it and wanted to thank you for your time. Old 12b trying to learn something new. Talk about a rabbit hole? Safety First or else. I'm going to get my license once I learn the basics. I want a magazine in place before I make anything at all to store. How much does it cost for a federal fireworks making/storage license? I've looked at one site at the ATF that says $300? Not wanting to be cheap about it but I don't want to go in blind either. I learned about grounding in basic demo class. It cannot be overemphasized. Especially with this stuff. Military grade "demo" and "pyro" is very stable by nature. Only blasting caps and booster caps for mines are pressure and/or heat sensitive. You can light C4 and cook on it. You can stomp on it and it will not go off even on fire. I don't think it's a smart thing to do, but it won't detonate. This Pyro is a whole different Animal. The onion principle comes to mind here. I do love it though for that reason. Thanks again everyone taking their time on this and other threads.

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 12:54 AM

As far as licensing costs you'll want to check into state and local regulations. Some require additional permits or licenses. As such it's easier/cheaper in some places than others.
Just so you guys quit asking, here is the link to the old forum. http://www.xsorbit2....forum/index.cgi

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