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#41 DavidF

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 06:08 PM

Well, I can see you guys just came to talk semantics, and not about a pyro need. I'll let you back to it and do something else.



#42 wildcherryxoxo

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 06:53 PM

Sheesh!

Being that I am an "it" (or woman, whichever Lloyd meant to be the worse insult), you'd expect ME to be the one with the out of control emotions! *shrug*

Anyway, I'm glad we are back on track, "the starch" that is mentioned in the video is boiled, and probably pre-gelatinized, and it makes some damn fine black match. I am willing to bet it would work 'ok' in stars, but considering the extra effort in preparing it, I would lean on more traditional "dry" binders.

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 07:24 PM

Sheesh!

Being that I am an "it" (or woman, whichever Lloyd meant to be the worse insult), you'd expect ME to be the one with the out of control emotions! *shrug*

Anyway, I'm glad we are back on track, "the starch" that is mentioned in the video is boiled, and probably pre-gelatinized, and it makes some damn fine black match. I am willing to bet it would work 'ok' in stars, but considering the extra effort in preparing it, I would lean on more traditional "dry" binders.

Nothing personal because you are only one among millions, but why are you a fucking asshole?


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#44 wildcherryxoxo

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 07:31 PM

Oldmarine-

No offense taken (IS THAT ALL YOU GOT?!)

Just callin em like I see em, being politically correct isn't very high on my priority list.

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 07:34 PM

Nothing personal because you are only one among millions, but why are you a fucking asshole?

 

Not to sure, but that is the general tone of the posts from this human being. If it was more active, i'd consider it a troll, but...

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 08:37 PM

Don't let idiots drag you down to their level. They will beat you with experience.

That's all I have to say. None mentioned, none forgotten.

 

Wouldn't it be nice if we could all speak nicely to each other, and respect each others different experiences and the questions that emerge from that?

And, of course, also respect the answers of more experienced people.


Edited by Ubehage, 26 January 2017 - 08:38 PM.

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 10:39 PM

What the hell just happened.  :)

so..

what again is the starch doing in the match?  

I'm confused

 

clarity please.  :)


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Posted 26 January 2017 - 10:57 PM

What the hell just happened.  :)

so..

what again is the starch doing in the match?  

I'm confused

 

clarity please.  :)

 

Having never made match myself, I was under the impression from other sources that it helped keep the slurry homogeneous while running the string through. This as opposed to the bp 'settling' causing wetter string with less bp a the end of the line compared to the beginning, breaking the cardinal rule of fireworking, 'consistency'

 

Again, to clarify, this is not from any experimental or theoretical source, this is just what I have read others say (much like most of the info I get here).



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Posted 26 January 2017 - 11:40 PM

Do you think the starch could replace dextrin in any formula?

So, this is what I saw as the deviation from the subject at hand. The ensuing discussion seemed to be about binders in general, and not about match. There seemed to me to be much confusion on the part of Fotia about the starch. I felt that this confusion arose from the various pieces of extraneous information added afterward. I now have no idea what it is that Fotia is trying to get an answer to. Lloyd's mad, Wildcherry seems to be his reason for it, Caleb's confused, and I'm just a guy wondering why folks need to go to so much trouble to find things to disagree about. Is life too good that we need to turn over rocks to see what's underneath?

Can anybody else comment on the use of ARGO laundry starch in the application depicted in the VIDEO from personal experience without talking about stars, baking, and other things that don't apply?


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Posted 27 January 2017 - 05:51 AM

Caleb,

The starch is the binder.  Laundry starch is a converted food starch, not 'raw'.  It is a weak but effective binder for things that don't require a lot of strength.

 

David,

Lloyd is not mad.  I know where and when to 'waste' my time.  Arguing with people about a simple matter that was explained no less than four times seems a fruitless endeavor.  I have more than enough to do (yes, with pyro); burning effort and time reiterating simple facts to folks who know nothing of the art, but who still deny the facts isn't a productive use of my day.

 

Lloyd


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Posted 27 January 2017 - 09:36 PM

Thanks Lloyd.  :) 

 

I have to admit I haven't watched the vid.. but did listen that he was using starch and liked it. 


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Posted 10 January 2020 - 12:55 AM

Wow. I loved reading this thread and all that to find out that there is a difference in using Laundry Starch instead of just regular Corn Starch in making black match. I made my QM with dextrin and didn't feel comfortable with the results. Making next batch exactly like Ned did. Just wish APC search on topics was a little better.


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Posted 12 January 2020 - 07:38 PM

My first BM method came from Skylighter. Need Gorski article Tiger Willow Shells in 2½ Days.

https://www.skylight...low-ball-shells

He milled 30oz. KN, 6oz. Charcoal, 4oz. Sulphur, and 2 oz. Dextrin for his black match. My math came to 75-15-10-5 equivalency. The match worked great until a very humid day, it went limp and sputtering inconsistently. I'd tried to quickmatch a series of mines together, it was random timing, hangfires, well, not working. We noobs have to start somewhere, who wouldn't try Neds formula? I have since learned that dextrin is a bit hygroscopic. Not Neds fault, in the op video he used Argo. I had to give up on dextrin bound match too because it's humid here.
I am an experienced home Brewer, so gelatinized starch and enzyme conversion to dextrin is quite familiar. I have no problem understanding the concept of laundry starch being gelatinized, then dried out. I suppose you could boil cornstarch to gelatinize it first before mixing it with the BP, but just adding laundry starch sounds much easier to accomplish the same result. I will most certainly do that next time.
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Edited by Shakudama, 13 January 2020 - 09:12 AM.

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Posted 13 January 2020 - 09:33 PM

 

Shakudama - Where are you from? It is very humid here in South Louisiana. I am making my next batch with the laundry starch. I am hoping for much better and reliable results. 



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Posted 18 January 2020 - 02:58 PM

I'm in Ohio. The particular day was cool, and as dusk approached, warm moist air blew in and dew formed on everything. Quite a bit damper than usual, just happened to be on July 4th. Wilted my quick match. Good luck to you, I think we're on to something here.

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Posted 18 January 2020 - 04:55 PM

I haven't used laundry starch but I did see Ned's video. If he used LS then I will be trying it also. 



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Posted 20 January 2020 - 09:22 AM

Is there something that you can spray and coat the match with after it is made to make it water proof? I know you can make the lacquer but is there anything easier and quicker? 



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Posted 23 January 2020 - 04:20 PM

Rubber cement might do the trick for waterproofing. The quick-drying alkane solvents shouldn't mess with the water-soluble/miscible components--KNO3 & dextrin/starch. But uniform coating might be an issue, as well as burn rate/consistency and possible slowing from the new rubber coating/fuel. Likely the rubber coating would render it useless for quickmatch.

 

Are you trying to waterproof BM for land uses (i.e., protect from rain/humidity) or for underwater use?

 

I store my uncoated BM in cardboard tubes with a few gel packs. Never had a problem with humidity.


Edited by SharkWhisperer, 23 January 2020 - 05:24 PM.


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Posted 23 January 2020 - 07:52 PM

Protect from humidity. It is extremely humid in south Louisiana. you never know how it will be and setting up and having everything out can get effected by it.



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Posted 24 January 2020 - 12:41 AM

Sheesh, CPP,

 

I'd just store my match in cardboard tubes or Al foil wrapping with some silica gel packs that absorb atmospheric water. Or CaCl2 packs from the dollar store. Super cheap insurance.

 

Spend a lot of time getting sassy in Florida, similar clime to yours in LA, and my goods never get "wet". But, the humidity is so high that you have to check them on occasion for long storage, and maybe change out your protection

 

All my goods, including BP, get a silica gel packet or two; changed out as/if necessary.

 

You can blow pyro in the Swamp!!!

 

No  prob !


Edited by SharkWhisperer, 24 January 2020 - 12:46 AM.

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