wizard7611 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) Hello. After trying a failed batch of Nishiki Kamuro composition, I'd like to start over. Does anyone know the best golden star formula that produces a nice long tail? I'm planning on using this for my comets. Edited July 14, 2015 by wizard7611 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fckiamdead Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) Hello. After trying a failed batch of Nishiki Kamuro composition, I'd like to start over. Does anyone know the best golden star formula that produces a nice long tail? I'm planning on using this for my comets. Hello I like this one's. If you only have the basic chems..Chrysanthemum 8Potassium nitrate 49Charcoal (Pine airfloat) 40Sulfur 6SGRS or Dextrin +5 or Spider StarPotassium nitrate 54Charcoal (Airfloat) 32Sulfur 7SGRS or Dextrin 7 I can't say it's "gold" stars but i think yu will like it. Very long tail's. Spider star is more brief than C8 Edited July 14, 2015 by fckiamdead 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard7611 Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) What colors though? Edited July 14, 2015 by wizard7611 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fckiamdead Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 What colors though? It's charcoal based so it's like firedust/gold, the spider star is the same but kind of to the reddish. Spider star: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIL Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 If you want a gold tail effect ,I would suggest tigertail composition +15% atomized aluminum . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard7611 Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 Eh, I was hoping for a Titanium spark effect. Anyway, that's a very nice shell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrokid Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VbCFm3ccYE "Slow Gold is credited to Dave Buell and is formulated as follows: Potassium Nitrate: 36 Charcoal Airfloat: 29 Charcoal, 80 mesh: 14 Sulfur: 9 Titanium, sponge, 40-80 mesh: 7 Dextrin: 5 It's essentially a slow burning charcoal willow star with added Ti to give a bright brocade effect. To prepare, mill the ingredients, EXCEPT the 80 mesh charcoal and Ti, together for a few hours and then screen in the remainder. Use a moderately reactive charcoal such as pine." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard7611 Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 I'm looking for something close to a golden spider effect, where the tails are long and dense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OblivionFall Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 I'm looking for something close to a golden spider effect, where the tails are long and dense.Bigger shell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard7611 Posted July 20, 2015 Author Share Posted July 20, 2015 Bigger shell?Bigger shell? What are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garydee Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Bigger shell = bigger stars = more dense and longer tails. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mumbles Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 The density and hang time really are a property of the star formula itself. You have to be careful with these things when using them in small shells. Certain formulas just don't work, or will hang too long as to pose a fire/fallout hazard. There are ways to increase the hangtime of stars. Adding lampblack, or coarse charcoal will both burn longer than airfloat charcoal. Screen mixing as opposed to ball milling can give longer tails, but at the expense of the spark density. For what it's worth, it's a little hard to recommend formulas or modifications there of since you keep somewhat contradicting yourself. You want a "golden star with a long tail", with a "titanium spark effect". Titanium, if it's any good, will produce a distinctly white effect in the tail. Also, you want "a golden spider effect, where the tails are long and dense." Spider stars do not natively leave long tails. By design, they are very fast burning compositions, which gives very dense tails. They are designed to be broken very hard, to give long, straight tails which will overlap in the sky to make a spider web effect when fired with other shells. To get a long tail from them, you have to break them hard so they fly a long distance. If you don't the tails will not seem overly long. If you want to keep it golden, but still retain some of the titanium effect, you could try to replace titanium with ferrotitanium. It behaves pretty similarly, but gives a more yellow or gold effect. I'd keep it simple to start. Any charcoal streamer (chrysanthemums, tiger tail, etc), with 10% FeTi should get you started. If you had a video of what you're looking for more specifically, it may help as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard7611 Posted July 21, 2015 Author Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) The density and hang time really are a property of the star formula itself. You have to be careful with these things when using them in small shells. Certain formulas just don't work, or will hang too long as to pose a fire/fallout hazard. There are ways to increase the hangtime of stars. Adding lampblack, or coarse charcoal will both burn longer than airfloat charcoal. Screen mixing as opposed to ball milling can give longer tails, but at the expense of the spark density. For what it's worth, it's a little hard to recommend formulas or modifications there of since you keep somewhat contradicting yourself. You want a "golden star with a long tail", with a "titanium spark effect". Titanium, if it's any good, will produce a distinctly white effect in the tail. Also, you want "a golden spider effect, where the tails are long and dense." Spider stars do not natively leave long tails. By design, they are very fast burning compositions, which gives very dense tails. They are designed to be broken very hard, to give long, straight tails which will overlap in the sky to make a spider web effect when fired with other shells. To get a long tail from them, you have to break them hard so they fly a long distance. If you don't the tails will not seem overly long. If you want to keep it golden, but still retain some of the titanium effect, you could try to replace titanium with ferrotitanium. It behaves pretty similarly, but gives a more yellow or gold effect. I'd keep it simple to start. Any charcoal streamer (chrysanthemums, tiger tail, etc), with 10% FeTi should get you started. If you had a video of what you're looking for more specifically, it may help as well. Ah, Fero Titanium. Yes, I meant to say that. I now know spider web stars burn fast after watching a video. If you slow them down, they don't produce the nice effect. I should try a chrysanthemum formula with 10% Fero Titanium. Are there any recommendations for a chrysanthemum star? I forgot to mention, is there a place to get Fero Titanium for a great price? Edited July 21, 2015 by wizard7611 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregh Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 /http://www.hobbychemicalsupply.com/ferro-titanium-60-240-mesh/ Here ya go! It's great stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard7611 Posted July 22, 2015 Author Share Posted July 22, 2015 /http://www.hobbychemicalsupply.com/ferro-titanium-60-240-mesh/ Here ya go! It's great stuff.Yes, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLpyroBP Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 For a good golden tail I like the Tiger Tails (TT) very simple to make. Using TIGAR TAILS: 44% potassium nitrate 44% charcoal6% sulfur6% dextrin I made this in my ball mill and then wet it 75/25 water/alcohol for faster drying and cut my own stars. Made a very long lasting tail 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bcorso85 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 My personal favorite, and what I suggest you try is as mentioned above, a Tiger Tail formula with 11-15% Ferro Titanium. Hobby Supply's price of $10.00 a pound is actually really awesome. The wide ranging mesh will also help accomidate a little bit of a hang for your stars. Not really much, but I'm sure you'll be impressed by it. What i normally do, and suggest you try is rolling this comp on top of a blue star core. I'm not sure of your experience level, but it doesn't really matter it's so simple. Start with Rolling blue star cores. (Formula Courtesy of CannonFuse.com) Ammonium perchlorate..............................63Copper Oxychloride...................................13Sulfur............................................10Dextrin...........................................10PVC...............................................12 After they dry make and roll the following gold formula on top of your blue,. Potassium Nitrate 44%Willow/ Pine Charcoal 44%Sulfur 6%Dextrin 6% + 15% Ferrotitanium. These are beautiful. I haven't gotten around to making any video of it.... but you'll be very surprised and pleased with the result. BTW... What happened to your batch of Kamuro Stars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbuck Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 (edited) how big do you roll blue star cores generally, and do yo have to prime blue cores before rolling on TT formula and do you ball mill comp first minus FT of course? Edited August 2, 2016 by bigbuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braddsn Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 You might want to try bleser blonde streamer. One of my favs.. it burns fast but has a very dense tail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbuck Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 actually i have some of them rolled but have not had a chance to try them out, those 2 comps seem very similar, thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagabu Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 This one? Meal Powder 60 Charcoal Airfloat 20 FerroTitanium, 40-325 mesh, 60:40 15 Dextrin 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbuck Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 yes thats the one i have rolled already from blessers book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagabu Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 The other one is: Potassium Nitrate 45 Charcoal Airfloat 29 FerroTitanium, 40-325 mesh, 60:40 15 Sulfur 6 Dextrin 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mumbles Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 They're the same formula essentially. One's made with meal and the other with components. I suspect the meal based one would burn bushier, and a bit faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradise Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 SoI if you subbed lampblack for the charcoal in say a C-6 or C-8 would it end up more like a willow or TW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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