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#1 Yafmot

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Posted 11 July 2009 - 04:01 AM

A couple weeks or so ago, I tried to get to the Explosives and Weapons Forum, only to get a message from some outfit called "A Small Orange." It said "this account has been suspended." I thought maybe through some egregious act I had gotten myself banned, but I e-mailed a guy I had hooked up with to conduct some business, and he's been getting the same message.

There had been chatter from the admin. that they were running out of server space and would have to change the web host, but that was months ago, and we already went through a month or so without it. But we had plenty of fair warning last time, and this time around it came as a total surprise to everyone.

I just hope the Feds didn't close it down for the purpose of sifting through it for "evidence" preceding a roundup of participants on some kind of trumped-up "conspiracy" charges. It sounds like something DHS would do, since they've been running roughshod over all kinds of stuff almost sice its inception, and this kind of ham-fisted approach is right up their alley.

Anybody privy to any disasters unfolding, or am I just being paranoid? Hunter S. Thompson once wrote that "Paranoia is just another word for ignorance; they really ARE out to get you." And let's face it, we've been discussing stuff that would scare the crap out of any jury comprised of decent, upstanding sheeple.

So, whaddaya' think?

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Posted 11 July 2009 - 07:23 AM

I am not familiar with that forum or what you discussed on it (at least beyond the obvious: "explosives & Weapons"), but on a hunch it sounds like you needn't be that paranoid. If the feds wanted to sift through the evidence, wouldn't they have done that while the forum was still open?

Granted...Maybe they already have, and now that they've collected their evidence, now they shut it down! But honestly, unless you were doing something very illegal which they can feasibly prove, the most they will do is put your name on some top secret terrorist watchlist that "doesn't exist", plant bugs in your home, tap your phone line, and park a survielance van 200 feet from your house...the usual stuff that you've probably already experienced (unknowingly) for the last decade.

Even though I never went to that forum and probably never would have wanted to, I don't generally like the idea that the government would shut down a forum on principle. Obviously though, there is a reasonable line, and they are not going to just look the other way if you are constantly discussing highly illegal stuff.

Edited by flying fish, 11 July 2009 - 07:28 AM.


#3 Gunzway

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Posted 11 July 2009 - 07:59 AM

I've lurked and have had a look around there before. I doubt that it's been shut down by the feds or anything. I think they would of 'raided' some people prior and you would of noticed some familiar people missing and you would of had the gut instinct something like this was going to happen. On the lines of what flying fish said, my hypothesis would be they would do this when the forum is still open as they could gather more evidence as they were collecting. It should be back... This is also coming from the king of paranoia.

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Posted 11 July 2009 - 12:38 PM

I also have no extra information to add, but more of a comforing comment. I don't think "they" have anything to do with it. The Forum has been up for many years and they are going to have some downtimes. NBK and Mega are big boys and should be able to take care of things.
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#5 a_bab

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Posted 11 July 2009 - 01:23 PM

NBK less, as he is serving his time in prison.

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Posted 11 July 2009 - 03:34 PM

I'm familiar with Rogue Science. I am a Libertarian by nature. If you don't hurt anyone, have fun. But there are certain lines that it is seriously unwise to cross, IMO. I wouldn't hesitate to discuss formulas, procedures, or theories. I WOULD hesitate to post incriminating evidence, especially videos. A photograph of a pile of powder means nothing. It cannot be proven to BE anything, unless they find the powder in your home. But a video of you setting off a kilo of HE in an illegal manner and blowing something up is beyond the "line."

Likewise, the drug sites. There are hundreds. Guys are photographing their magic mushroom grow houses and posting them, sometimes without using any sort of proxy! Lunacy!!

It boils down to a search warrant. If they want you , they need to catch you with the goodies, whatever they are, and that normally requires a warrant, unless you are especially stupid and leave something in plain sight. Ask yourself, "Is what I posted enough to get a warrant?" And also remember that there are almost always bigger fish to fry than you, unless you are one of the top 3 or 4 guys on the site in terms of damning evidence. The other way to get in trouble (one of our valued members here found this out) is if there is a fire in your house, or a neighbor lets himself in for some reason, or a maid, carpet cleaner, telephone repair guy, whatever, enters your home, sees something, and drops a dime. These latter scenarios can be tricky and unpredictable.

One of the safest things one can do is use a good proxy service, and the better proxies have a minor subscription fee, but they are effective, IMO. Sidewinder can probably elaborate.

Summary: I don't think you have anything to worry about. Don't store fireworks or explosives outside of an approved magazine. I wouldn't store any, period. It's still legal to possess nitric acid, oxidizers, etc. They might find a nice lab, but nothing else, if you work smartly.
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Posted 11 July 2009 - 04:24 PM

They were shut down by the feds. a crazy left wing socialist group convinced the authorities that there was anti government discussusion going on.
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Posted 11 July 2009 - 04:25 PM

Wow. I have been out of the loop for way too long. I've got the gist of the story. He looks exactly how I thought he would. Well I guess time will tell.
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#9 NightHawkInLight

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Posted 11 July 2009 - 08:05 PM

Though I rarely took any part in that forum I did find much of it to be interesting reading. It often provided ideas for me to expand upon for projects of my own. I wouldn't mind a disc or two with the archives on it.

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Posted 11 July 2009 - 09:21 PM

I've been a reader there since before they used the URL Roguesci.com. The very strict nature of the forum is where I learned to ignore my previous source of "RELIABLE" information. The Jolly Roger's version of the arnarchist cookbook. I went from one extreme to the other. I believe that all of my synths have been replicated from mega's and anthony's post. I really wouldn't mind a data dvd disc of the archives. I'd probably even pay for it.
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#11 colniko

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 09:30 PM

There is a torrent available of the site. I believe the date is like 10-2008 or something like that. Just FYI.

#12 asilentbob

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 08:35 PM

There were a lot of idiots there... but there were also a lot of really bright people... I remember a few threads on advanced primary explosives that ended up having tons of interesting explosives that I had never heard of that seemed to be ideal primaries in that they were very resistant to friction and shock, but sensitive to heat.

That forum has been around so long... that I don't think it would simply dissapear and not come back...
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Posted 16 July 2009 - 04:16 PM

there's a torrent? that's great! thanks
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#14 FrankRizzo

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 10:08 PM

Would any of you fellas happen to have that torrent file? My last archive was from 2005.

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 04:24 PM

Yep, here's a link: E and W Forum 12-2-08 @ Torrent Reactor (RAR)
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Posted 26 July 2009 - 11:35 AM

chaac:
I am a super moderator at Rogue Science, and I have just published the most up-to-date archive of the forum. I can provide a digital signature to prove my identity if absolutely necessary. Here is a link to the demonoid page:

http://www.demonoid....04078/31851624/

If you wish to reach me for questions, you may do so here or over email at chaac@nym.hush.com.


chaac:

Virus:
WTF happened?

It isn't clear yet. Mega is maintaining silence, so all we have are our theories.


chaac:
http://www.mediafire...php?j1wotmmi2jo

(another way to download the archive. Text, around 82MB, 6-14-09)

Source is Zoklet.
Take one pound of pure sulfur, two pounds of grapevine or willow charcoal, and six pounds of saltpeter... Marcus Graecus - Liber ignium ad comburendos hostes
(add to) The Pyrotechnic Workshop Reference - 2007 Federal Explosives Laws and Regs (PDF 100pgs)
EmergencyResponceGuidebook2008pdf - ALL MSDS PERIOD - NPG-NIOSH Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards
Join the PGI - Join the Pyrotechnic Artists of Texas (PAT) - They need your support!
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#17 FrankRizzo

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 03:45 PM

Thanks, both of ya. :)

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 05:10 PM

Argh, stupid RAR files... OK, who has an easy RAR secret decoder ring (app) so I can read this thing? I am so stupid with this stuff... whatever happened to ZIP files? Is RAR superior?
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Posted 27 July 2009 - 06:19 PM

Yeah, RAR is superior. I use Winrar http://rarlabs.com/rar/wrar39b5.exe, but a good freebie is 7zip http://www.7-zip.org/.

Edited by FrankRizzo, 27 July 2009 - 06:22 PM.


#20 Gunzway

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Posted 01 August 2009 - 12:32 AM

NBK less, as he is serving his time in prison.

I've recently downloaded an archive of the forum and just have been going through information which may be useful and it's just something to pass a day with nothing to do. I noticed that NBK hasn't made any contributions lately and then remembered this comment. Just purely out of curiosity, what got him there? Any specifics? Because he seemed pretty 'on top of his game'.




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