rcfun42 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Well a few weeks ago I seen a shell wrapper on u tube and started making one and have got it mostly done except the one bearing for the c clamp under the machine I cant quite figure out how it works and if anyone can help I would be grateful for the help. I have been wrapping them by hand for the last 4 years and getting so many to wrap it is hard to keep up with it but anyway if you want to see it it is home made shell wrapper and it is by fireworks 17 so if someone can help me that would be great. I will check back on Thursday for answers if any and thanks. rcfun42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raceman17 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 I built the machine. The bearing assembly uses a standard ball bearing. McMaster Carr has them. The one I used was 1.25" od x 0.5" Id 0.375" thick. Sandwich the bearing between a short 1/2-20 bolt and tighten a nut down. You have to machine out a piece of metal to 1.125" diameter and deep enough to press the bearing into the piece and have the cut deep enough to accept the total thickness of the bearing and the bolt head. I machined the bolt head down to make it thinner. Then u need to drill and tap the closed end of it for 1/2-20 threads so you can use the coupling nut that is welded to the upright. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) i use a thrust bearing on mine, as the load is mostly thrust not radial. If you drill out the threads in the holesaw and use a threaded rod that fits the hole, you can save on machining. Simply place the thrust bearing between the holesaw and a nut on the threaded rod. The nut is used to clamp and unclamp the shell. Edited December 14, 2016 by Col Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raceman17 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 I had thought about using a thrust bearing for this application but figured if I did it the way you did yours then you were limited to the clamping range of the internal depth of the hole saw. I also thought that with the hole saw just kind of sitting on the rod there would be some slop in that connection. Ball bearings can take some trust forces and still operate and with this force being so small I didn't see an issue with it. Regardless it is another way to achieve the same results. ColDo you have any pictures of your machine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 (edited) I went with the non machining option cos forstener bits dont do so well in metal I didnt use a hole saw for the lower clamp, just a piece of steel tube with teeth filed into it. As long as the tube id is close to the threaded rod od there`s no slop. I have different top and bottom tubes for each shell size. The top tube lengths are geared to put each shell size in the right place without any adjustments so its just a case of moving the bottom tube upto the shell using the nut behind the thrust bearing.I think there`s some pics and a vid somewhere.. and after a quick look around:http://www.amateurpyro.com/forums/topic/10890-low-budget-shell-wrapping-device/?hl=+wooden%20+pasting%20+machine Edited December 15, 2016 by Col 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raceman17 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I remember seeing that design when I was looking on the Internets for ideas. That's a neat machine you have there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Thanks, you made a good job of yours too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MondoMage Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 i use a thrust bearing on mine, as the load is mostly thrust not radial. If you drill out the threads in the holesaw and use a threaded rod that fits the hole, you can save on machining. Simply place the thrust bearing between the holesaw and a nut on the threaded rod. The nut is used to clamp and unclamp the shell. Do you have plans or a tutorial for building your pasting machine? I've watched a couple of videos and it's an nifty idea that I may try my hand at, but I'm far better at following written instructions than I am designing something solely based on what my peepers are seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Hi MondoI didnt do any plans, it was more a series of ideas (back of the fag packet stuff) for the different bits that were shoehorned to work with what i had on hand. A motorised version would be a doddle to make but it doesnt have the same appeal as hand cranked wooden gears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcfun42 Posted December 17, 2016 Author Share Posted December 17, 2016 Well after a lot of thought it suddenly hit me on the way the bearing works so now i'm about 90% done with the wrapper and hope it works as well as the one i'm designing after. It is working good so far so now all I have to do is get the angle right and i'm in business. Thanks for all the help on this project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raceman17 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Just make sure you get the shell centered up in the middle of the lazy Susan bearing. You want the shell to stick up through the bearing to where the gummed tape is put on just higher than the horizontal centerline of the shell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumagg27 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Sumagg, both of those videos have been removed. Do you have any active links to real videos I can edit in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OldMarine Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 What type of tape are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumagg27 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Mr.old Marine this is not my video.but this is may be masking tape type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldMarine Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 That's what it looks like but I've never found any that pulled from the roll that easily without shredding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumagg27 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 You are right. I am start to make this type of machine as soon as i will get results with masking tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldMarine Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 It looks like the shell angling mechanism may be a pain to construct. I noticed they changed the angle several times during wrapping. We can't see the workings but it looks like a hinge with the screw just above it angling the rod the shell is mounted on. The rest could be built from a cheap drill press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Another similar design but horizontal rotation, cellotape (non biodegradable) and masking tape (weaker and more expensive than gummed) with this one. Compact and nicely built though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeighborJ Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 OM I don't think that is an angling mechanism. It looks to me as if it is a slide mechanism and it is moved away from the taping arms if the tape starts creeping up onto the spollete tube. I like this machine, I use masking tape for most of my round shells. The tape I use is simple masking tape cut from the log in a chop saw. It's a lot cheaper then one may think,ive pasted 120-3" shells with a 20$ log from the paint department in HD. As long as the saw makes a strait cut the tape unwinds by hand without tearing. The chop saw needs brushed off with a wire brush between cuts otherwise the blade gets gooey and sticky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrB Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 To me it looks, and sounds like some plastic tape.B! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 B, if you follow the link in the vid comments theres a few more pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OldMarine Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Most excellent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Upgrading the 3.5rpm shell rotation motor for something a tad quicker,10-20rpm will increase the functionality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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