Best Golden Star Composition?

[wizard7611]

Hello. After trying a failed batch of Nishiki Kamuro composition, I'd like to start over. Does anyone know the best golden star formula that produces a nice long tail? I'm planning on using this for my comets.

Edited July 14, 2015 by wizard7611

[fckiamdead]

Hello. After trying a failed batch of Nishiki Kamuro composition, I'd like to start over. Does anyone know the best golden star formula that produces a nice long tail? I'm planning on using this for my comets.

 

Hello

 

I like this one's. If you only have the basic chems..

Chrysanthemum 8

Potassium nitrate 49

Charcoal (Pine airfloat) 40

Sulfur 6

SGRS or Dextrin +5

 

or

 

Spider Star

Potassium nitrate 54

Charcoal (Airfloat) 32

Sulfur 7

SGRS or Dextrin 7

 

I can't say it's "gold" stars but i think yu will like it. Very long tail's. Spider star is more brief than C8

Edited July 14, 2015 by fckiamdead

[wizard7611]

What colors though?

Edited July 14, 2015 by wizard7611

[fckiamdead]

What colors though?

 

It's charcoal based so it's like firedust/gold, the spider star is the same but kind of to the reddish.

 

Spider star:

[PIL]

If you want a gold tail effect ,I would suggest tigertail composition +15% atomized aluminum .

[wizard7611]

Eh, I was hoping for a Titanium spark effect. Anyway, that's a very nice shell!

[pyrokid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VbCFm3ccYE

 

"Slow Gold is credited to Dave Buell and is formulated as follows: Potassium Nitrate: 36 Charcoal Airfloat: 29 Charcoal, 80 mesh: 14 Sulfur: 9 Titanium, sponge, 40-80 mesh: 7 Dextrin: 5 It's essentially a slow burning charcoal willow star with added Ti to give a bright brocade effect. To prepare, mill the ingredients, EXCEPT the 80 mesh charcoal and Ti, together for a few hours and then screen in the remainder. Use a moderately reactive charcoal such as pine."

[wizard7611]

I'm looking for something close to a golden spider effect, where the tails are long and dense.

[OblivionFall]

I'm looking for something close to a golden spider effect, where the tails are long and dense.

Bigger shell?

[wizard7611]

Bigger shell?

Bigger shell? What are you referring to?

[Garydee]

Bigger shell = bigger stars = more dense and longer tails.

[Mumbles]

The density and hang time really are a property of the star formula itself. You have to be careful with these things when using them in small shells. Certain formulas just don't work, or will hang too long as to pose a fire/fallout hazard.

 

There are ways to increase the hangtime of stars. Adding lampblack, or coarse charcoal will both burn longer than airfloat charcoal. Screen mixing as opposed to ball milling can give longer tails, but at the expense of the spark density.

 

For what it's worth, it's a little hard to recommend formulas or modifications there of since you keep somewhat contradicting yourself. You want a "golden star with a long tail", with a "titanium spark effect". Titanium, if it's any good, will produce a distinctly white effect in the tail. Also, you want "a golden spider effect, where the tails are long and dense." Spider stars do not natively leave long tails. By design, they are very fast burning compositions, which gives very dense tails. They are designed to be broken very hard, to give long, straight tails which will overlap in the sky to make a spider web effect when fired with other shells. To get a long tail from them, you have to break them hard so they fly a long distance. If you don't the tails will not seem overly long.

 

If you want to keep it golden, but still retain some of the titanium effect, you could try to replace titanium with ferrotitanium. It behaves pretty similarly, but gives a more yellow or gold effect. I'd keep it simple to start. Any charcoal streamer (chrysanthemums, tiger tail, etc), with 10% FeTi should get you started.

 

If you had a video of what you're looking for more specifically, it may help as well.

[wizard7611]

The density and hang time really are a property of the star formula itself. You have to be careful with these things when using them in small shells. Certain formulas just don't work, or will hang too long as to pose a fire/fallout hazard.

 

There are ways to increase the hangtime of stars. Adding lampblack, or coarse charcoal will both burn longer than airfloat charcoal. Screen mixing as opposed to ball milling can give longer tails, but at the expense of the spark density.

 

For what it's worth, it's a little hard to recommend formulas or modifications there of since you keep somewhat contradicting yourself. You want a "golden star with a long tail", with a "titanium spark effect". Titanium, if it's any good, will produce a distinctly white effect in the tail. Also, you want "a golden spider effect, where the tails are long and dense." Spider stars do not natively leave long tails. By design, they are very fast burning compositions, which gives very dense tails. They are designed to be broken very hard, to give long, straight tails which will overlap in the sky to make a spider web effect when fired with other shells. To get a long tail from them, you have to break them hard so they fly a long distance. If you don't the tails will not seem overly long.

 

If you want to keep it golden, but still retain some of the titanium effect, you could try to replace titanium with ferrotitanium. It behaves pretty similarly, but gives a more yellow or gold effect. I'd keep it simple to start. Any charcoal streamer (chrysanthemums, tiger tail, etc), with 10% FeTi should get you started.

 

If you had a video of what you're looking for more specifically, it may help as well.

Ah, Fero Titanium. Yes, I meant to say that. I now know spider web stars burn fast after watching a video. If you slow them down, they don't produce the nice effect. I should try a chrysanthemum formula with 10% Fero Titanium. Are there any recommendations for a chrysanthemum star? I forgot to mention, is there a place to get Fero Titanium for a great price?

Edited July 21, 2015 by wizard7611

[gregh]

/http://www.hobbychemicalsupply.com/ferro-titanium-60-240-mesh/

 

Here ya go! It's great stuff.

[wizard7611]

/http://www.hobbychemicalsupply.com/ferro-titanium-60-240-mesh/

 

Here ya go! It's great stuff.

Yes, thank you!

[FLpyroBP]

For a good golden tail I like the Tiger Tails (TT) very simple to make. Using

TIGAR TAILS:

44% potassium nitrate

44% charcoal

6% sulfur

6% dextrin

 

I made this in my ball mill and then wet it 75/25 water/alcohol for faster drying and cut my own stars. Made a very long lasting tail

[Bcorso85]

My personal favorite, and what I suggest you try is as mentioned above, a Tiger Tail formula with 11-15% Ferro Titanium. Hobby Supply's price of $10.00 a pound is actually really awesome. The wide ranging mesh will also help accomidate a little bit of a hang for your stars. Not really much, but I'm sure you'll be impressed by it.

What i normally do, and suggest you try is rolling this comp on top of a blue star core. I'm not sure of your experience level, but it doesn't really matter it's so simple.

 

Start with Rolling blue star cores.

(Formula Courtesy of CannonFuse.com)

 

Ammonium perchlorate..............................63
Copper Oxychloride...................................13
Sulfur............................................10
Dextrin...........................................10
PVC...............................................12​

 

After they dry make and roll the following gold formula on top of your blue,.

 

Potassium Nitrate 44%

Willow/ Pine Charcoal 44%

Sulfur 6%

Dextrin 6%

 

+ 15% Ferrotitanium.

 

These are beautiful. I haven't gotten around to making any video of it.... but you'll be very surprised and pleased with the result.

 

BTW...

 

What happened to your batch of Kamuro Stars?

[bigbuck]

how big do you roll blue star cores generally, and do yo have to prime blue cores before rolling on TT formula and do you ball mill comp first minus FT of course?

Edited August 2, 2016 by bigbuck

[braddsn]

You might want to try bleser blonde streamer. One of my favs.. it burns fast but has a very dense tail.

[bigbuck]

actually i have some of them rolled but have not had a chance to try them out, those 2 comps seem very similar, thanks

[dagabu]

This one?

Meal Powder 60

Charcoal Airfloat 20

FerroTitanium, 40-325 mesh, 60:40 15

Dextrin 5

[bigbuck]

yes thats the one i have rolled already from blessers book

[dagabu]

The other one is:

Potassium Nitrate 45

Charcoal Airfloat 29

FerroTitanium, 40-325 mesh, 60:40 15

Sulfur 6

Dextrin 5

[Mumbles]

They're the same formula essentially. One's made with meal and the other with components. I suspect the meal based one would burn bushier, and a bit faster.

[Paradise]

SoI if you subbed lampblack for the charcoal in say a C-6 or C-8 would it end up more like a willow or TW?